It’s not time to panic about the Coronavirus

Originally posted at Free American National by the Gray Man.

Yet again it seems we have a dangerous respiratory virus originating in China and threatening to spread to the rest of the world. The Novel Coronavirus (nCoV) belongs to the same family of viruses as the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) virus and the Middle-East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS). From what experts can tell, this nCoV has been traced to a wildlife/meat market in Wuhan, China. The city has a population of more than 11 million people.

The recent outbreak seems to have started in late December of last year, and has accelerated to the point now where confirmed cases have also been located in Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macao, Nepal, Australia, France and the United States. My personal belief is that the Chinese government probably covered up knowledge of the outbreak for a period of time, and now their efforts to lock down and quarantine entire cities of millions of people are going to be futile. The virus has already escaped those limits and there is no sign they can contain it right now.

I work as a registered nurse in an emergency room, and I am usually unconcerned with the hectic and breathless news reports of the next pandemic that are supposed to wipe out the planet every year, like Ebola or SARS, despite the fact that our own regular old, boring flu has killed like 40 kids in the US just this past season. However, there are some differences going on here that prompted me to do a write-up on this one. I don’t believe that this is the world killer either, but in less than a few weeks we are seeing some significant points with this. I’ve discussed the nCoV with some of my ER physicians, including three with overseas medical experience in the Middle East and East Asia via the military and one with medical experience in the Indian subcontinent.

One curious thing about this particular virus is the apparent reported ability to infect both cold blooded and warm blooded hosts, and pass from one to the other. It’s being reported that highly venomous kraits (a snake) in China may be the original vector. These kraits hunt bats, and it’s believed that some of the people who have been infected got the virus from eating bats (yeah…) that have possibly gotten the virus from the snakes. It’s certainly not uncommon for dangerous diseases to spread from animals to humans in bushmeat markets, and there is high demand for the meat of wild and exotic fauna in China and other areas of East Asia.

Another thing of note is that China has undertaken a massive quarantine effort of at several cities with populations in the millions, and this alone has gotten huge international attention. Regardless of the prognosis of infected patients, the reactions of the Chinese has had a significant effect on global markets. The Chinese markets are often close during the Lunar New Year (LNY), which means there is going to be an information vacuum when they open back up. The US is dependent on cheap junk from China, so we may feel some effect ourselves. Reports are saying that approximately 56 million people have been quarantined, which is an unprecedented amount.

Like I had mentioned before, it’s my belief and the belief of other analysts that, true to their nature, the Chinese authorities have covered up and obfuscated what is really going on with this outbreak, hindering quick action to contain the spread. You don’t often see a viral event like this go from a local outbreak to suddenly being found on three different continents. It’s apparently being investigated in at least 22 states last I saw, and we are only supposedly about five or six weeks into the game. There is something odd about that. There are healthcare workers in China making posts to Weibo/Tencent (Chinese government allowed social media platforms) saying that they are estimating 100,000 people infected, and that they are unable to keep up with the death tolls, to the point of lying dead bodies in the hallways. These posts are immediately censored by the government, but not fast enough to avoid being reposted on the free web. Are these healthcare workers exaggerating their reports? Or are they telling the truth?

A difficulty in diagnosing and treating patients is obtaining the specific testing kits. As far as I know, only three companies actually produce the kit and it doesn’t appear they were ready for an outbreak to go from a dozen cases to into the thousands globally in less than a month. Add to that that at least one of the companies I know of is based in China, and many of those employees are working intermittently during the LNY.

Another problem with this occurring during the LNY is widespread holiday travel inside and even outside of China. This virtually guarantees that these large-scale quarantines are going to be ineffective. Pair that with the possibility that patients with nCoV may be treated like pneumonia patients or other patients with your run of the mill upper respiratory infections (URI). The treatments for those include steroids and antibiotics. A virus is not going to be susceptible to antibiotics. Current treatments for nCoV are supportive, which means medical staff are just treating the symptoms.

The physicians I’ve spoken to express the same thoughts I had on this nCoV, which is “how is this so different and so much more serious than the last several viruses we’ve had?” My only thoughts on it as far as prepping are concerned would be to watch closely how people are reacting. The illness itself is not likely to be any worse than SARS, or it may even be less dangerous as far as prognosis, but what is important to see is what a panic will cause in the global markets and in society. I don’t predict pandemonium myself, but it seems like the public is ripe for a panic over something, and if, through initial Chinese failures, we see a large influx of infections throughout the US, we could see our own version of lock-downs and quarantines. People in the US are not accustomed to something like that and I think a lot of people would resist it. China has apparently quarantined about 56 million people at this point.

Johns Hopkins University ran a simulation about three years ago that showed a coronavirus-like pandemic could kill as many as 65 million people. Obviously that adds to the hype and isn’t going to help the panic. The panic could be more dangerous than the illness itself.

My advice is to wash your hands when you’ve been out in town. Shopping cart handles and doorknobs will hold infectious particles and bacteria as long as people keep touching them. Bleach wipes are great, just make sure to allow the surface to dry, as that’s when you know it’s had time to kill the pathogens. If you’re really concerned, wearing a mask can help prevent catching a contagious respiratory bug. If things got worse, 3M brand N95 masks are good to have, and if you’re a prepper, you should already have several for each family member. If you have a person in your home who is sick, keep them at home. If you know someone who is sick, don’t visit until they’ve had time to become non-contagious. Personally, I would not fret about the virus as much as the potential for others to panic and the markets to suffer a hit.

At least not for right now…

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23 Comments

  1. Matt Bracken January 26, 2020 at 07:52

    I’m reading about transmission via the eyes, mostly in relation to touching your face with your hands. Is it possible that the airborne (sneezed) virus could land in your eyes and infect you?

    Here are two links you might want to check out.
    “Okay, now you can panic.”
    https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/ok-now-you-can-panic/

    China coronavirus: Wuhan residents describe ‘doomsday’ scenes as patients overwhelm hospitals
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047613/china-coronavirus-wuhan-residents-describe-doomsday-scenes

  2. Matt Bracken January 26, 2020 at 09:09

    Very informative new 4 minute video. BBC, Jan 26.

    China Coronavirus ‘spreads before symptoms show’ – BBC News

    Incubation period 1-14 days. Infectious before symptoms show.

    Dire need in hospitals for more FACE MASKS, this tells me they think the face/eyes/mouth are vulnerable to infection.

    Airborne transmission, or only by contaminated surface transfer to hands to face?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jAWPcyPFQc

  3. Gray Man January 26, 2020 at 09:18

    Thanks, Matt. Yeah, the infectious particles can linger in the air for several minutes and travel long distances. A particle of this size (only a few microns) can float around and land on mucous membranes.

    I like the Citizen Free Press title compared to mine. Though I have to admit I added that last line of the article just this morning after reading some headlines at 0430…

  4. Gray Man January 26, 2020 at 09:24

    Also, Matt… The incubation period being that way, with no symptoms and still highly contagious, essentially means that our information on the situation is always behind the curve. We are responding to what the virus was doing a week ago.

  5. Matt Bracken January 26, 2020 at 09:49

    Good info on this half-hour podcast. CV info starts at 4 minutes in.
    Prepping Academy Coronaviruses – Alert!

    https://www.buzzsprout.com/794960/2574682-coronaviruses-alert-alert-alert?fbclid=IwAR3iDlavuXcjMRb34exkVyBxH44gfIP2osYaqwajmjbBrj9wFc5dkPCqCzc

  6. Matt Bracken January 26, 2020 at 09:51

    I made a quick “Get face shields” meme.
    https://i.imgur.com/yjzVBio.jpg

  7. wagmc January 26, 2020 at 11:55

    There is reporting out today that this particular corona strain may have been stolen from a canadian lab by chinese scientists in 2019, just prior to those agents being sent back to china to work for their biological warfare department. The department, just coincidentally, is located just a few miles from the market where the virus originated. Food for thought.

    I’m having trouble wrapping my head around all the extreme measures being taken for “only” 1,400 (last night) infected people.

    They have quarantined 60 million people in cities.
    Hospitals are already “overwhelmed” and supplies are running short
    They are building two 1,000 bed makeshift hospitals in the next week

    In a city of 11 million, the hospital system should not be “overwhelmed” and short beds for “only” 1,400 victims.

    There is something they are not telling us.

    • NC Scout January 26, 2020 at 12:01

      Don’t doubt it for a second but do you have a link?

  8. George Graham January 26, 2020 at 11:56

    Brother, I agree with you, in that, it is Never time to panic. It definitely time to watch and prepare. The news coming out of China is not good. Many patients are asymptomatic during the incubation period but are fully infective. One source states that for every 10 patients seeking medical care there is one walking around infecting others. Second point : transportation is still un-impeded in most parts of China so people are still driving from city to city. Third one imminent epidemiologist’s computer modeling indicates that the nCoV has an infective rate (R naught) of 3.8 with a range of 3.6 to 4.0. This translates to each infected person, on average will infect 3.8 unprotected people. In comparison,Spanish flu, which killed 50-100 million, had an R naught of 2.6. Fourth, the Chinese government, this morning stated that the virus is becoming far more virulent. There is more, but I will not bore you with details. To restate: it in never time to panic. People who panic die.While no one can see the future, this virus has the potential to sweep the planet. It is definitely time to prepare, increase vigilance and intelligence collection.

  9. 15Fixer January 26, 2020 at 13:54

    Thank you for this post. Aesop is also posting info along these same lines. Between the two of you, I am sure we are well updated. Thank you again for your time and effort.

  10. wagmc January 26, 2020 at 14:29

    update: Ma Xiaowei, the minister in charge of China’s National Health Commission (NHC),told a press conference that battling the outbreak had become especially complicated, after it was discovered that the new virus could be transmitted even during incubation period, which did not happen with Sars (severe acute respiratory syndrome). “From observations, the virus is capable of transmission even during incubation period,” Ma said, adding that the incubation period lasted from one to 14 days. “Some patients have normal temperatures and there are many milder cases. There are hidden carriers,” he said. “There are signs showing the virus is becoming more transmissible. These walking ‘contagious agents’ [hidden carriers] make controlling the outbreak a lot more difficult.” Ma said that 2,360 military and civilian doctors and nurses had been sent to Wuhan, the city in which the outbreak was first detected at the end of last month.

    Why are they sending 2,300 doctors to one city? If a doc can treat 50 people in a day, that’s 100,000 treatments each day. Clearly they are expecting casualties in millions. And this thing looks like it has a mortality rate of around 4%.

  11. Gray Man January 26, 2020 at 20:45

    5

  12. WNC Tyller Durdan January 26, 2020 at 22:33

    Another website states that the three largest ports in China are Shanghai, Shenzhen and Ningbo-Zhoushan. The entire world depends on these ports for commerce. Of these, Shenzhen, as of tonight, is under quarantine /marital law. Nothing in nothing out. That means no container ships will pull into port and crews will be allowed to pull up anchor. The commentator of the other website, states that if all three ports close it is likely to have far reaching economic consequences for the countries to trade with the PRC.
    Hong Kong, tonight, is in emergence alert status. Their hospitals have sent all of their interns, volunteers and non- emergency personnel home. That means no interns to help with patient care, one to push patients to radiology, or other ancillary services. No one to do all of the little jobs that under normal circumstances would do these. Some one will have to take up the slack in their absence.
    Third, research on a vaccine has begun but it will, likely, be three months before it’s ready for distribution. Experts say that it normally takes 4 months for a virus to run its course.
    At this point the virus is no vaccine and no cure. The only treatment is palliative measures and mitigating the symptoms and hoping the bodies immune system will eventually fight it off. One city with over 700 patients has discharged 3. Remember, Infective rate over twice that of Spanish Flu and a R naught of 3.8
    The critical patients all seem to end up in the ICU on a ventilator. The average hospital in the US has between 5 and 10 on hand. Patient number 11 get put in the hall until another patient dies.
    A confirmed case reported tonight in Arizona.

    Opinion: I would asses that UK is about 3-4 days from a major outbreak. US will continue to have sporadic cases maybe a local cluster or two and will manage for maybe 2 weeks to one month. The average American citizen in not prepared mentally, physically or logistically for what is about to happen. I would expect some major unrest as cell phone reception begins to fail, grocery stores empty out, gas stations run dry and electricity becomes a luxury item.

    • NC Scout January 26, 2020 at 23:17

      Not looking good.

  13. WNC Tyler Durdan January 27, 2020 at 00:24

    Scout,
    Agreed. Plenty of time to plan, train and rehearse but none to waste. The unofficial motto of some group in England is Check and test, check and test and then check and test again. Officially it’s Who Dares, Wins. Maybe you know the guys.
    So much of the information out there is old, naïve, hyperbolic, or pie in the sky, over the top optimistic. This very well could turn out to be nothing and just die out in the vastness of the PRC, or it could be the first step in a spiral down towards an Extinction Level Event (ELE). I give little weight to ether extreme. If I were to peer into my crystal ball, I would say that in a few weeks time there is going to be some rough sledding for the unprepared, but as a nation we will come through. Maybe I’m totally wrong. I invite your thoughts.

  14. Historian January 27, 2020 at 08:16

    A few things to note:

    #1) The Chinese authorities routinely lie about the severity and transmissability of infectious outbreaks in their country. It would be a mistake to take ANYTHING the Chinese say at face value. Keep this in mind.

    – However, the recent information from their health minister is concerning, as is the attempt to control this by quarantine. I do not recall any such measures having been taken by the Chinese in the recent past, and there will be SIGNIFICANT economic impact from such measures, which argues that the ChiComs think that the alternative (no control attempt) will be worse. In other words, what they are DOING argues powerfully that the Central Committee views this disease as a significant threat to their control of China.

    – This virus is reported to be readily transmissible through contact with mucous membranes ( eyes, nose and lips,) by inhalation, and by viriions landing on the mucous membranes, notably eyes. CDC protocols for patients who present with symptoms and history of travel to China are to be placed into negative pressure rooms under contact isolation and airborne isolation protocols. I would expect all body fluids to carry virus, too.

    -early data analysis resulted in an R0 of 3.8 which is extremely high; after much pressure the study authors reduced that to ‘only’ 2.5. My somewhat educated guess, and that is all that it is, is that the real R0 is probably higher than 2.5. I have no way to estimate what the upper end is, but the situation in China has devolved very quickly in the last 4 weeks and the official Chinese numbers are laughably understating the apparent reality (see note 1 above), which argues for a higher R0. Bottom line- it is VERY infectious.

    -I have no way to estimate what the real CFR is. Right now the reports I’ve read show a CFR around 2.5 to 3%. That may be an overstatement of the real CFR, with many milder cases not detected, or it may understate the real CFR because of the lag between infection, more severe symptoms, and death. Those reported deaths so far are those known cases, infected early on, who have pre-existing compromised immune systems. The real number of deaths is likely to be much higher overall as these cases overwhelm an already overworked health care system, but I cannot hazard a guess as to what the CFR will finally be. For my own planning purposes, I am ASSUMING it is similar to the 1918-1920 H1N1 influenza pandemic, around 3%. This is bad but if properly prepared can be dealt with.

    -I do not know whether there is any effective antiviral treatment. If this was an artificially engineered virus, I would expect that the ChiComs will be extremely unlikely to admit to having treatment or vaccines for it. See note 1.

    -I do not have any idea of how mutable the virus is. Statements by the Chinese Health minister that the virus is evolving to be more severe may simply be a self-serving statement to save face and cover up Chinese culpability and inability to contain the disease. Or they may be accurate. See note 1.

    Adherence to strict infection prevention protocols will be key. BREAK THE HABIT of letting your fingers touch your body, especially your mouth nose and eyes. Disinfect your work space and your automobile controls regularly; disinfect your hands regularly and wash them after any contact with others, after coming into your office or house from outside, or after using a computer keyboard. Avoid anyone coughing or sneezing. I would avoid crowds or crowded places. If this becomes widespread you will want to use N95 or N100 masks when outside your home.

    being prepared for breakdowns in normal services, especially power, food deliveries and water, may be important.

    Especially in large cities, breakdowns in civil order can be expected, witness the videos posted of Chinese cities.

    Panic is not appropriate in this situation or at any time, but it is time to be concerned about the potential and prepared for what may come.

    With regard to all who seek the Light,
    Historian.

  15. mikrat January 27, 2020 at 10:06

    “A few things to note:

    #1) The Chinese authorities routinely lie about the severity and transmissability of infectious outbreaks in their country. It would be a mistake to take ANYTHING the Chinese say at face value. Keep this in mind.”

    The same goes for the Corporation called The United States.

  16. J. Thomas January 27, 2020 at 16:08

    patents.justia.com/patent/10130701

    Summary: it’s a man-made virus patented in 2015. They also patented the vaccine. It’s from England.

    Other info (not on this page): Wuhan set up a level 4 bio lab in 2015 and has numerous research facilities in that area.

  17. Anonymous January 27, 2020 at 19:20

    4.5

  18. Anonymous January 27, 2020 at 19:50

    5

  19. Chris W January 28, 2020 at 14:16

    Here’s a link to the story about Chinese military-linked bioresearch stealing a corona virus and other infectious agents from a lab in Canada:
    https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/
    Also, the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan is about 20 miles from the market they are calling the epicenter of the outbreak. It is, as far as I can tell, the only Chinese BSL-4 lab (highest level of containment). It was reportedly built after researchers studying SARS in Beijing allowed three containment breaches, at least that are known.

  20. Pastor Mike January 31, 2020 at 19:38

    I think that you need to check out this whole article and get the facts out before this gets buried.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon
    Coronavirus Contains “HIV Insertions”, Stoking Fears Over Artificially Created Bioweapon
    by Tyler Durden
    Fri, 01/31/2020

    “In “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag”, Indian researchers are baffled by segments of the virus’s RNA that have no relation to other coronaviruses like SARS, and instead appear to be closer to HIV. The virus even responds to treatment by HIV medications. ”

    “But the ‘smoking gun’ in this case are pieces of the virus’s genetic code that Indian researchers, led by Prashant Pradhan at the Indian Institute of Technology, found may have been ’embedded’ from HIV, which belongs to an entirely different family of viruses.”

  21. Borderpatrol February 3, 2020 at 20:02

    I work in a Medical ICU as a nurse and this virus appears to have a very high infection rate with low death rate outside of China, I never trust the Chinese for a minute and wouldn’t put it past someone to have this leaked into general population. I see it only affecting immune compromised here in the states. As long as we keep getting exposed to new viruses. There ability to cause serious harm go down due to our response with anti bodies and such. Most folks don’t know that the cytokine storm from the Spanish flu is what made it unique and deadly. Thank goodness we haven’t seen ones like that

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