A Challenge of Logistics: Ammo in Guerrilla Groups

Almost as predictable as the rising of the sun is the issues of keeping a guerrilla group supplied. In every historical account I’ve read and personal encounters training and patrolling with the Kurdish Peshmerga and even the Afghan Border Police (which is little more than a government sanctioned militia) the number one issue boils down to logistics. In all cases, its not even having a combat load of ammunition for a patrol- they barely have ammo to even train, much less sustain a firefight for long. Such is life. Today many are finding themselves in a similar situation. Ammo, for the most part, is short and expensive where you can find it. The guns don’t seem to be the problem- 5.56 and 9mm are the new 22 Long from the era of Obama. Taking that into account, how many here in the States actually have a realistic picture of how much equipment it’ll take to remain supplied for any amount of time?

I’ve always had a fascination with Cold War era conflicts- partly because I’ve known many who were involved in them and still look to the ones alive for advice, but also because there’s so many lessons that inherently go overlooked in terms of the realities and challenges a guerrilla force will face. Reality, always, is far different from one’s expectations and a far cry from the fantasies many espouse.

The Cuban Revolution is a great example. Early on, the primary challenge that the various factions faced was not finding motivated people but establishing a standard for arms and ammunition, followed very closely by a coherent training plan to evolve the motivated would-be guerrillas from randomly successful fighters against a far superior military force to a force to be feared using the Escambray mountain range as a natural base of operations.

Such is the interesting story of Frank Sturgis in Cuba. It was Sturgis, a WWII Marine Raider, who was largely responsible for first recognizing these needs then starting his own airlift to supply them with surplus WWII arms and ammunition. The M1 Carbine became a very popular arm for the tight jungle terrain and became the weapon of choice among many. It was light and fast, had decent stopping power within the relatively close distances jungle fighting entails (an opinion shared by Philippine Guerrillas a decade earlier) Sturgis used his lessons learned fighting in the Pacific in WWII to make the guerrilla band a force to be reckoned with, later being instrumental in the training of Assault Brigade 2506 that landed at the Bay of Pigs and then continuing to train the survivors until just before he died in the 1990s. And somewhere in that timeline he found himself breaking into Watergate. But the larger point to be made is that without outside support, the Cuban Revolution would have been crushed- a reality that forced them to work with outside sources that were often cagey at best.

Taking that lesson into account, there’s a few lessons that bear noting, and have repeated themselves over time. The first is having a standard weapon that is both easily supplied, repaired, and simple to teach others to use. Many times, several of us have probably heard the questions “why do you have more than one of those? You can only shoot one…” and while that last bit might be true, it neglects the reality of the need to arm others. We don’t exist in free space, and the notion of ‘I’m just going to bug out to my retreat and they’ll leave me alone!’ is a pipe dream. Further, the ability to arm others infers control and inherent authority. I armed you, you work for me. If there is no authority, there is no cohesion.

You need one standard of ammunition and magazines. Having a multitude of random specialty calibers or proprietary magazines for those weapons means that you’ve added a layer of complications to your logistics plan that will at best cause that weapon to be an expensive club later on down the road. Further, a guerrilla’s personal choice of weapon is more often dictated by what ammo he can source rather than what he would like. Last, and this is one that my personal experience mirrors, is that the so-called ‘battlefield pickup’ is not a reliable plan to resupply your group. That doesn’t mean it won’t be viable in some instances, but the reality of combat is that in fluid and volatile conditions, you don’t always have time to pick up weapons and supplies off your adversaries alone. Despite the popular internet tropes in survival circles, there won’t just be guns laying around everywhere. I’ve operated in two different warzones, and aside from a few inert shells here and there, I didn’t see any weapons laying around and not in the hands of people ready to use them.

Finding yourself as the potential leader of a guerrilla band, one of your principle challenges then becomes keeping a healthy stockpile of munitions to both accomplish your needs in combat while recognizing your training goals. It would be remiss to point out that ammo is currently experiencing a major shortage in the US from the very real looming threat of domestic instability. The two most common calibers in the US, 9mm and 5.56, are nearly non-existent and expensive where found. On the other hand, 7.62×39 can still be found with minimal price gouging. And while AK prices are higher than in years past, the weapon is still not extremely expensive to get into. The learning curve on the AK, at least from my own perspective, is far shorter to build a competent shooter, especially within its intended range and role.

Whatever the future holds, the reality is that no matter how much ammunition you have today, you really don’t have enough for a potential future. The world is changing rapidly and with it, the United States. Look at where we are today compared to just six months ago…let alone four years…and gasp- two decades. Let it be a sober reminder of the urgency of the times.

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NC Scout is the nom de guerre of a former Infantry Scout and Sergeant in one of the Army’s best Reconnaissance Units. He has combat tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He teaches a series of courses focusing on small unit skills rarely if ever taught anywhere else in the prepping and survival field, including his RTO Course which focuses on small unit communications. In his free time he is an avid hunter, bushcrafter, writer, long range shooter, prepper, amateur radio operator and Libertarian activist. He can be contacted at [email protected] or via his blog at brushbeater.wordpress.com .

52 Comments

  1. Anonymous August 11, 2020 at 17:03

    4.5

  2. Anonymous August 11, 2020 at 17:15

    5

  3. Warpig August 11, 2020 at 17:39

    I was looking at ammo at sgammo.com 10 minutes ago. No 5.56mm and it will be overpriced when in stock, versus plenty 7.62x39mm at far less expensive prices.

    I feel like I’m married to the AR-15 / 5.56 platform with current rifles, ammo and training.

    Does it make sense to mix logistics an acquire an AK(s)?

    • NC Scout August 11, 2020 at 17:55

      I think it does. Both platforms are common enough that they warrant having.

    • Johnny Paratrooper August 11, 2020 at 21:25

      Buy an SKS, they are really, really accurate and make a great woods gun. Sleek and effective.
      I enjoy the Aluminum cased, steel core stuff because its a little bit lighter weight.

      • Ben Leucking August 15, 2020 at 21:37

        I will agree with you to a point. Yes, the SKS is more accurate than the AK and at greater range. However, the current price ranges from a low of $550 to over $1000, if you can find one. The Chinese SKS is inferior to those manufactured in the Soviet block. I purchased two Yugoslav SKSs straight out of an armory, packed in cosmoline for $125 bucks each and spent about a month cleaning them, staining and finishing the stocks. They are beautiful firearms and well worth the investment in time and effort. There are three issues I would raise about the SKS in general. First, the recoil mechanism is really rough on scopes. Second, you are limited to a ten round internal magazine unless you are willing to modify with an external magazine (of questionable quality). Third, you need to replace the firing pin mechanism if you plan on putting a lot of rounds through it. If you don’t, you are at risk of having the rifle go into auto-fire mode, which is really dangerous.

        Finally, the SKS has a fairly significant kick to it; so I wouldn’t recommend it to someone that has limited or no prior experience with firearms.

    • shane michael connor August 12, 2020 at 02:13

      Gotta keep checking back everywhere, this was being snapped up at sgammo.com tonight… 2 x 1000 Round Case – 5.56mm 62 Grain Green Tip – Federal American Eagle XM855CSF AR-15 Ammo Made by Lake City – Limit 2 – $1,099.00 ($549.50 each)

  4. Coyyote August 11, 2020 at 18:44

    An AK 7.62 x 39 platform (http://www.dlsports.com/dl-2015-carbine.html) has replaced my AR-15 as my goto carbine. Has a Primary Arms 3X Prismatic and a Streamlight light/laser combo. This ought to work from a few feet out to 300 meters. I have retasked the AR-15 with a 1-8X scope and a Grippod and rails setup to clip on night scope. This will do the moderate distance perimeter work. Having shot the AK for a couple of years am over the learning curve from the AR and very happy with it. Heavily stocked with AK ammo as it was available and cheap. Even now its available and reasonable as you mentioned.

    FWIW, Midway USA has IMI Razr 77 grain 5.56 at 0.90 per round last I checked. Too pricey for me as it used to be half that.

    • Johnny Paratrooper August 11, 2020 at 21:28

      IMI is arguably the worst ammo on the market.
      Also shoots the largest groups when compared to Lake City or Federal.
      PMC is incredibly clean shooting and has low gas and flash.
      My sample size was only two lots of IMI green tip.
      I keep it loaded in my SAW Style AR and Kit.

      • NC Scout August 11, 2020 at 21:48

        Mine doesn’t. All of the lots of their Mk262 clone ammo has performed very well for me. JC Dodge replicated that result the other day and sent me some pics. Your performance could be variance in powder compared to your barrel, the *actual* twist of the barrel you’ve got (there’s variances beyond the generic 1/7, 8 or 9 markings), the barrel wear, and the actual spacing of your chamber.

        I don’t shoot 855, because I’m not subject to Geneva and quite frankly, like ammo that has a better terminal effect.

      • Coyyote August 11, 2020 at 21:49

        I think the IMI 5.56 Rzr is a different animal. 77 grain SMK bullet which on more than one occassion has given me 1/2 MOA, or shade above, 3 round groups at 100 yards using a bipod and rear bag, prone with 16X magnification from a NF. PMC works well but have not shot groups. Also think Privi Partisen is worth a look. In my precision rifles Federal GMM 175 , M118LR & Black Hills if I am not shooting my reloads.

        • NC Scout August 11, 2020 at 21:55

          Privi is great stuff also, but the powder has a bit higher flash at night (a serious concern if you’re planning on combat, not cosplay). PMC is not worth the added cost, at least from the batches I tested. Could be my weapons though, because others have reported very good results. IMI’s 77gr load is, however, the next best bet if you’re not wanting to shell out the Black Hills money.

        • Johnny Paratrooper August 11, 2020 at 22:00

          Well Shit. I should have stocked up…
          I guess I was spoiled in Baghdad.
          Everyone I saw get shot with M855 was dead before they hit the ground.
          My SQL did say he tagged a guy 6 times and he just kept coming. Number 7 did him in though…
          Hopefully that 75 Grain Interlock Hornady HD/SBR stuff is everything they say it is.
          And that SST .308 165 grain Hornady Superformance. The fireball is rather disappointing though.
          I should have had my R700 threaded and pined with a vortex Flash Hider.
          SHIT

          • NC Scout August 11, 2020 at 22:06

            Shot placement was critical with M855. Thoracic Cavity shots were almost always a through-and-through with minimal disruption. If an insurgent was high on khat, hash or heroin (or all of the above), the five shot failure drill was a must. That’s why that drill came about.

            MK262 was a totally different story. Tissue disruption was far superior. I have a small stash of the new MK318 rounds as well.

            Your Remington should definitely be threaded. I ran a Smith Vortex on the M24, no flash at night.

          • Historian August 12, 2020 at 18:56

            JP-

            I’m told that the 62 grain SS109/M855 from a 14″ M4 does not fragment the way a 55 grain FMJ from a 20″ barrel does.
            I have not seen the elephant, but those who have who I trust tell me that the 55 gr FMJ from a longer barreled rifle does the job better than the LAP.

            There are lots of higher tech solutions out there, the ELDs and the Barnes X and others, but they cost.

            Another less expensive but still effective option is to load an ‘old tech’ 60 to 65 grain SP flat base bullet- I’ve loaded the 64 grain Winchester softpoint. These older bullets stabilize in even a 12 twist barrel, expand very nicely and are a stone killer on deer where .223 is a legal deer round, as long as the shot is placed in the boiler room.

            Same is true for loads for the .30 Russian short, which is similar to loading for the 300 Blackout supersonic. A SP 120 to 135 grain projectile can work nicely.

            As regards nighttime flash, you want to check your load, and probably use a SE Vortex. Does anyone know what commercial cannister powders are lower flash types? I don’t and I should.

            With regard to all who seek the Light,
            Historian

          • NC Scout August 12, 2020 at 20:59

            RL 15 and Ram Shot.

      • Alan Burquist August 12, 2020 at 07:59

        IMI 175gr Razor core match 7.62×51.. Bought a case last January, all matching lot numbers.. EXCELLENT! My bone stock M&P10 shoots consistent sub MOA 5 shot groups, with 3 shots often passing thru one ragged hole.. No bipod, shooting off sandbags the old school way!

        Great shootin rifle, 5R barrel shoots Winchester M80 ball well inside of 2″, but it likes the heavier bullets.. Have had excellent results with the IMI 77gr 5.56 as well..

        For me, IMI ammo is top notch, wish I had more of it!

        • Johnny Paratrooper August 12, 2020 at 11:01

          News like this is why I listen to Screamo before bed.

  5. Milo Mindbender August 11, 2020 at 19:20

    The choice I made was the SKS platform. It was cheap when I started, ammo was cheap, the platform is a standard for reliable when left unmodified, and it will hold minute of bad guy out to 250-300 meters with decent training.
    I know the AK holds more ammo, but that can also be a weakness, stripper clips are reliable,cheap, expendable, and light. AK mags are bulky,heavy, and if you lose them the rifle is difficult to load by hand. An SKS may only hold 10 ers but I only need ammo to feed it.
    I am happy my children are now old enough to have their own households now and we didn’t need them, but I still am happy with them.

    • Historian August 12, 2020 at 18:37

      The other thing in favor of the SKS is that it is more accurate than the AK with the same ammo. I was told that, and my admittedly very limited experience with 30 Russian short weapons bears that out. In fairness, perhaps my comparison (Chinese folding AK vs Yugoslavian SKS) is not an ‘apples to apples’ comparison and I must admit that I did not make a thorough comparison. (I’ve shot several AK carbines and two SKS carbines.)

      Right now I run US military calibers, not Combloc. It is unlikely that the US military will switch to Combloc calibers, so my thought was that as long as US military ammunition is being made that there will be a way to get some. Battlefield pickup is by no means the only way to scrounge ammo in an emergency. I expect that as things get spicier that importation of ammo will be banned, and manufacture of non-military/non-police ammo will be likewise restricted or banned. Relying on overseas ammo manufacture for your primary rifle systemstrikes me as a point failure risk.

      Now with all that said, especially for those late to the party, the 30 Russian short at half the cost per round is a powerful argument for Combloc calibers. I may have to start looking around to see what I can get hold of.

      With regard to all who seek the Light

      • Johnny Paratrooper August 12, 2020 at 21:51

        Great questions to beg Historian,

        Reportedly, The SKS has a better “point target” engagement than the AK. Probably because the SKS has a longer barrel(I think), and thus a more consistent velocity spread, which would give one the impression that it is more accurate. I would say that an SKS is only slightly more accurate than an average AK. The SKS also has a more traditional feel to it, relative to the AK, which can be a bit uncomfortable for some shooters. I know that my 6’4″ frame holding an base model AK leaves a little to be desired for comfort.
        I like the SKS because it’s a handy little rifle, and doesn’t look super scary from a distance like the venerable AR or AK does.
        NC Scout mentioned in an earlier comment that some guns of the same design can be more accurate than another. The Chamber, and Barrels vary in their exact size. They aren’t all perfectly symmetrical.

        I have two ARs that both shoot M855 exclusively. One of them is quite accurate considering my ammo selection. The other is a 3-4 MOA gun, just like my M4 was. Regardless of the rifle I chose, anything inside of 600 yards is gonna have a bad day.

        I know one thing for sure. Our Radios are gonna be responsible for winning the day. Not our rifles.

        • NC Scout August 12, 2020 at 22:25

          Note on the SKS- the point shooting you’re noting is due to the forearm design. The M14 is similar in handling, for the same reason, even though its a bit heavier. More importantly, the Yugo SKS does not like Wolf or Brown Bear ammo without modifying the firing pin. Yugo ammo had a harder (and corrosive) primer, which also reflected them keeping the SKS in service longer than the Soviets did. The Chinese Norinco SKS didn’t have this issue and was largely built for commercial sales using the older tooling.

          I’m not a fan of the SKS- there’s a reason the AK supplanted it as rapidly as it did- but its points to know if you come across one.

          • Johnny Paratrooper August 14, 2020 at 17:04

            Good too know.
            I picked up my Norinco with a buddy who did the same. And another soon there after.
            I would argue we have some nice “Last Ditch” weapons at our disposal for 25 cents on the dollar relative to an AK.

            They are by no stretch of the imagination primary choice Weapons for the 21st century of warfare. I might sell mine during this rush and buy ammo for my other toys.

          • KOBK April 21, 2021 at 16:51

            Have a couple Russian SKS’s that are backups for my backups for my backups. They’re way down on the line but have em just incase.

            With a good trigger job and bedding you can get em down to 2.5 moa with surplus ammo. I just did one for one of our guys and he was blown away at how much it improved.

            Not as snazzy as an AR15, AR10, AK or M14 but I’d rather have one of those modded SKS’s over a pitchfork.

  6. Green Mountain Shooter August 11, 2020 at 19:47

    Two comments. A couple of years ago I picked up a 7.62×39 upper for my AR and it digests steel cased ammo as well as my brass cased handloads without a hiccup and shoots fine business. My second comment is that I was pretty surprised today when I checked availability for 7.62x54R. Is there an embargo on the importation of this caliber or are the owners of these classic rifles stocking up?

  7. 240Gezzer August 11, 2020 at 20:15

    My first sporting rifle was a WASR to get my feet wet. Then I started with a PSA AR15 to see what that was all about. Never looked back. I have “several” now. 5.56, 300BLK, 9mm. I build the lowers and buy assembled uppers. With the modular nature of the AR, another caliber is just a
    new upper or a barrel change away.
    I still have the WASR and ammo to feed it but an x39 AR15 is in the works as well.

    • NC Scout August 11, 2020 at 20:17

      Personally I’d go the KS-47 route. AK mags are lot more common than 7.62×39 AR mags.

  8. Alan Burquist August 11, 2020 at 20:20

    Having AK and AR both is best.. Never know what kind of ammo you might scrounge up.. I don’t mix the two tho.. My AKs are the native 7.62, and my ARs are 5.56.. It just works better that way! Everything is pretty standard for both, if ya keep it simple!

    Just scored a 1400rd wooden crate of Wolf, Lacquer sealed Barnaul, $445 at AmmoEmpire with free ship..
    Signature required, hope it makes it here.. Really weird when ya 1/2 expect your stuff to be stolen by the shipping carrier!

  9. mike August 11, 2020 at 21:45

    The West Cork IRA Flying Column had a terrible logistic problem in the 1919-1921 Black and Tan War with England. The Units commander Tom Barry, described the initial class V situation as grim and the tactics had to be tailored to the specific mission of engaging the enemy specifically to resupply by pickup from enemy casualties. Obviously, with almost nothing on hand initially, the early targets were chosen because they were lightly defended by small details who were not primarily front line combat soldiers. An early raid to destroy a coastal lighthouse is a good example. The beacon was of little military value, but the disarmed coasties provided a few more rifles, handguns, and ammunition. By carefully selecting weaker targets that could be overwhelmed with low risk to the insurgent force, Barry was able to build up a stockpile of about 300 Lee Enfields and a Lewis Gun. The West Cork IRA Flying Column therefore had an operational strength of 300 men. There were relief IRA gunmen available who had no arms, so the replacements took the weapons from the men they were relieving at designated times and places and the operational force was always fresh for new assignments. There was a well developed underground organisation to look after security, medivac, and such classes of supply that the impoverished Irish countryside could provide, but the only way to obtain arms at the local and regional level was to take them from the British police and military. The roadside ambushes conducted by Barry’s men featured special task details who had no job other than to sweep the kill zone for enemy arms and equipment after the action. Barry’s men knew that they had better make the most of their shots because the typical combat load was just 5 rounds. They became experts at the efficient ambush out of this necessity and were the same men who ambushed and killed Michael Collins and his Free State troops in the 1922 Irish Civil War.
    The training, development of tactics, operational history of this force is described in detail in Tom Barry’s book “Guerilla Days in Ireland”.The national level leadership of the IRA operating clandestinely in Dublin was eventually able to obtain some Thompson Submachine guns from America by way of smuggling networks, but these were few, and late, and obviously added to the ammo supply problem by way of rate of fire and unique .45 ammunition. The lessons for the impoverished, isolated insurgent are many , but chief among them is that battlefield pickup is an emergency expedient. If that is your only option you had better pick your fights carefully and make sure you win them quickly.

    • NC Scout August 11, 2020 at 21:51

      Sir, what an excellent comment. Thank you, and, I’d like to post this as a standalone with your permission.

      • mike August 11, 2020 at 21:57

        Absolutely. It is my pleasure. Thank You for doing what you do on this platform.

    • Johnny Paratrooper August 11, 2020 at 22:24

      We have a new standard in the comment section now.
      Any word on garage guns? Homemade Powders? Bows?
      The Irish are smart people. Ever had to guard an irishman in jail/prison?
      Dudes will be running that place like Han Solo in ten minutes. No joke.

      • mike August 12, 2020 at 16:09

        The Irish had a long history of resistance, which served them well as fighters, but it was the solid central organization of the IRA at that time, which sprang from the long established Irish Republican Brotherhood that probably made the difference in this war as compared to the numerous previous failures. How that particular cultural and political organization was built and how the eventual manpower and leadership of the IRA was recruited, vetted, and developed is the true key to understanding why the IRA won in 1921 against overwhelming odds. The strength of the organization, its strong internal security, and widespread support form the majority of the Irish population. It was these strengths that enabled them to overcome the problem of being almost entirely unarmed at the start of hostilities. Barry’s excellent tactics alone would not have won the day of the peasants of the Irish countryside had not been near universally supportive. We in America today have the opposite problem from The IRA in 1919. We have plenty of weapons and ammunition, and experience in using them, but we have no central organization, leadership, and security beyond the local level .You mention improvised weapons etc. The IRA experience with these in 1921 was not good. Attacks against strongpoints with improvised or inadequate explosives failed more often than not, and even if the position was taken, Barry’s force was often exposed for an excessively long time and forced to use precious ammo stocks in support of multiple breach attempts. Barry explains why he thought these risks had to be taken, but the IRA never really figured out the supply problem in 1921 for firearms and the efforts of their amatuer “learn as you go” bomb makers was very unsatisfactory. This war may be one of the best examples of a successful insurgency with minimal outside support that featured widespread battlefield pickup as a primary means of arming the insurgent force. They did win due to some outstanding exploits and sacrifice, but it was a close thing and shows why being an armed, free people is the foundation of our liberty.

        • Johnny Paratrooper August 12, 2020 at 18:46

          Thanks for the reply.
          I wonder if anyone smashed some poor sod’s head in with a claymore.
          Is it really an Irish rebellion if you leave the claymore at home?

    • Matt Bracken August 12, 2020 at 07:26

      I agree, terrific comment!

  10. Curious Passerby August 12, 2020 at 00:24

    If you have a used book store near you, I highly recommend you go look for old Bantam war books. They used to have lots of cheap paperbacks from WWII, Korean, and Vietnam war veterans. They were all interesting, but a few stand out as real gems, with eyewitness accounts of what they did and how they did it. One in particular that has always been a favorite is American Guerrilla in the Philippines, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2699803-american-guerrilla-in-the-philippines, by Ira Wolfert. Mr. Wolfert lost his PT boat and ended up land-bound in the Philippines before joining the resistance. His descriptions of surviving and resisting with literally nothing are incredible. Those guys made do with nothing but what they could scrape together, beg, borrow, or steal. He describes how some locals carried a piece of glass in their mouths on the chance they might encounter a solo Japanese to attack. In another story, he describes using a high school chemistry lab to build a cannon out of an old pipe and piano wire.
    As an aside, my dad was Navy during Korea. He told me he had a Chief who had been in the Philippines during the war. He said he picked up every single piece of scrap metal, every nut and bolt he saw and saved it. He also always carried two sandwiches wrapped in foil stuck in his shirt, just in case.
    Some of those old Bantam books are a wealth of information.

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  12. Alan Burquist August 12, 2020 at 09:11

    Most brutal Guerilla campaign ever fought, was in the German occupied areas of the Soviet Union..
    The tales from that, are just hair raising.. You had the German security forces, including the Einsatzgruppen, vs the Organized Soviet Partisans.. Also the various local Nationalist outlaw groups all fighting each other..
    Over scraps left over on a Scorched Earth battlefield..

    Standing orders were to strip the dead and wounded of all usable items, including clothing, and leave them.. A disabling wound, meant certain death, because nobody took any prisoners! An act of kindness, was to leave your wounded buddy with a pistol, to kill him/herself.. And that, would often lead to a drumhead trial by a field tribunal, and execution for doing so.. Because weapons, were more valuable than people!

    Life of a Guerilla Fighter, tends to be brutal, and short, Booyah!

    • Johnny Paratrooper August 12, 2020 at 11:14

      Good grief. I need to read about the Eastern Front.
      I read Smashing the Atlantic Wall. A little dry it was.
      I wonder if we will see killing fields like the Eastern front? Perhaps on the Mexico/US border? Or around major cities like LA, Philly, or NY.
      I think the police will collapse in some areas, and we will see South African style rapid response Anti-Communist Brigades within a year or two. But it’s hard to know whether Antifa is interested in a winter war. Most Guerrilla forces hunker down for the winter.
      Similar to the South African Paratroopers during the Rhodesian and SA civil wars; The guys would jump behind the enemy force to prevent egress and trap them in a pincer attack.
      Call me crazy, but I’m pretty sure this is coming. Hard too say though. Trump could win again and they could retreat into a Weather underground campaign 2.0.

      • Curious Passerby August 14, 2020 at 01:03

        Russian WWII movies are worth watching. They’re usually joyful affairs with stirring love stories, lots of drama, no pesky action to get in the way of the story, and everyone lives happily ever after. By that I mean none of that. Go watch a Russian movie called Come And See. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcCbX1fqFKA It’s about a boy in Belarus who joins the partisans and lives through a brutal einsatz gruppen cleansing of his village area. It’s one of the most horrific scenes I’ve ever seen in film. Some of their modern war movies are pretty good, too, like 9th Rota https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwomcfLUsDg and Brestkaya Krepost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQGr-ogfKN8
        One of my favorite topics in WWII reading is East Front memoirs from both sides. The Soviets were never encouraged to write down much (Russian vets have their own site, https://iremember.ru/en/ where you can read their stories), but a few have produced memoirs. Their stories and the Germans’ stories are incredible.
        Also interesting are the training manuals the army produced after the war from debriefing German generals about the Soviets’ tactics.

        Another interesting book to dig up is Inside the VC and NVA, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/693860.Inside_the_VC_and_the_NVA?ac=1&from_search=true

        • Johnny Paratrooper August 14, 2020 at 17:14

          Very interesting.

          My grandfather was a combat engineer in the Pacific and he told me that the Japanese would go on an Island and go to work “Like Army Ants”. He said they would plant trees, dig tunnels, create anti-tank sand traps, pit falls, or creating bamboo mazes in the bamboo forests. You name it, they built it. I asked him once if anyone ever died falling in one. He said, “No, I don’t know any poor bastards who fell in one, but they slowed us down ALOT” He said they even used moats full of salt water crocodiles.

          In other words, if you have free time, make something that messes with your enemy, and makes them work just a LITTLE bit harder. It gives your machine gunners more time to shoot….

          Obviously a Salt Water Crocodile is no match for a Garand, .45, and a hand grenade. But the Japanese knew that too. The whole point was to SLOW YOU DOWN. Not stop you or kill you. Just to get another 20 minutes of fighting.

  13. Coyyote August 12, 2020 at 13:50

    My observation is these “protests” and subsequent riots in multiple locations are well planned and organized with good comms and innovative weaponry. Law enforcement seems to be stymied and unable at the present to control or end these insurgencies. Some of that is having their tactics restricted by the city and state governments, but dealing with the laser attacks, Hiding among the crownds, etc is challenging.

    So this is not a couple of guys in a basement with a computer and a few extra bucks from selling weed making this happen. I think they have looked into the future and war gamed the plans for what will come next around election time. Especially after the election with scenarios for both election outcomes. Not sure our side has worked out tactical responses to such scenerios? Responses are often along the line of, “well if they come into my neighborhood they will be sorry. Lock and Load!!!!”.

    • Curious Passerby August 14, 2020 at 01:24

      Yeah. This is the results of years and years of preparation. The bomb throwers from the 60s are back and mentoring a new generation of communist revolutionaries. They’ve been whitewashed and rehabilitated. Just watch the documentary, The 13th. It’s a BLM documentary claiming blacks are still enslaved by the prison industrial complex. If you look up the people interviewed in the movie, a lot of them are modern black communist agitators, but there are also a few older, friendly-looking people who are well-dressed and seem perfectly normal until you look up who they are and they’re former Symbionese Liberation Army terrorists. That part of their past isn’t mentioned; they’re just activists trying to help the oppressed.

      These clowns would be easy to defeat normally. They would be easy to ID, detain, and stop if the govt wasn’t full of their friends. Cops would have nipped this in the bud months ago if their leaders weren’t on the same side as the rioters. City, state, and federal officials at all levels have abdicated their duty and integrity and responsibilities to lead, protect, and nurture their communities, to make them better places, and take care of their constituents and thrown their lot in with their ideological fellow travelers. That’s how a mayor or city council can blatantly abandon their constituents to communist terrorists, looters, and total chaos. Think about it- a lot of these people must be risking their political careers and long-term ambitions for this cause. Assuming they weren’t just outright paid off or threatened, they’re betting on Red to win. They’re signaling there is no future after 2020. This is either Year One for them or their final year.

    • BB August 14, 2020 at 08:29

      And sometimes those plans are held secret and shared only with the people who will be implementing them. OPSEC. But those plans need to be worked out in advance, I wholeheartedly agree!

  14. Anonymous August 12, 2020 at 22:03

    2.5

  15. wyogrunt August 14, 2020 at 16:27

    Regarding any ammo you might pick up from an unknown source remember Project Eldest Son, I think it was called, U S forces seeded doctored Chinese and Russian ammo on the Vietnam battlefield for the Cong to pick up and use. It would blow the rifle up and wound or kill the cong. Intended to attack troops faith in their ammo.

    • Johnny Paratrooper August 14, 2020 at 17:28

      YEAH! and they had two types. One was a thermite bullet that welded the gun shut; That was used on formerly friendly forces who had shifted allegiance because of Chinese Lies and propaganda. And the other literally exploded and took your hand and face off; That one was used on the Hardline Enemy forces who couldn’t be saved.

      Very cool story. Thank you for reminding me of this. My Grandfather, (Lt Col) served in Vietnam with 5th group. He loved those Vietnamese people, he was visibly upset when talking about the Chinese destroying Vietnam, and the media lies about American Forces.

      He knew what was going on. Believe me. He had an engineering degree from Carnegie Melon and spoke 4 languages.

      • Curious Passerby August 15, 2020 at 02:49

        Interesting new thing to worry about.
        First thought is magnet test for rounds that behave different from the rest. Ferrous vs Nonferrous.
        Second thought is bullet puller tool reloaders use to do random checks. Like a hollow plastic hammer you slip the cartridge inside and bang the bullet out. It’s safer than it sounds.
        Next thought is a visit to a friendly hospital, courthouse, or other location with an Xray to check. A bag scanner might be able to show you when somebody is not like the others.

        But let’s upgrade this threat for modern day.
        First- transmitter(s) hidden in the cache.
        Second- Drones watching the cache.
        Third- SIGINT collecting on cell phones around the cache
        Fourth- old school booby traps on the cache

  16. Anonymous May 1, 2021 at 03:18

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