What Azerbaijan’s spectacular victory over Armenia tells us about the future of modern warfare

Certainly interesting. The nature of warfare is indeed changing and the drone has, yet again, proven its utility and advantage.

The same goes for us. Using technology in innovative ways is the cornerstone of success for the modern Guerrilla.

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About the Author: NC Scout

NC Scout is the nom de guerre of a former Infantry Scout and Sergeant in one of the Army’s best Reconnaissance Units. He has combat tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He teaches a series of courses focusing on small unit skills rarely if ever taught anywhere else in the prepping and survival field, including his RTO Course which focuses on small unit communications. In his free time he is an avid hunter, bushcrafter, writer, long range shooter, prepper, amateur radio operator and Libertarian activist. He can be contacted at [email protected] or via his blog at brushbeater.wordpress.com .

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  1. James Carpenter December 18, 2020 at 14:21

    A programable flight following patrol paths (several programs ready to load), endurance both in time and ability to handle wind/turbulence, a visible light AND thermal camera recording and broadcasting back to base in real time, several batteries with charging station… Looks to me like bargain-basement “starter” drone with listed capabilities comes in at no less than $3500 (and up).
    Will neighbors like to “pitch in” for force-multiplier of local over watch? Find a way to pay myself and keep this capability to myself? Better suggested use of resources?

    • James December 18, 2020 at 17:24

      From one James to another(I also am a carpenter!)would think would be a great team buy.That said,without knowing your needs/finances will say many have spent more on nods ect.,really only you and yours know what you really need next.

      I ask if you do go this route a review time permitting would be great,happy nailing/m&t ect.

      • James Carpenter aka "Felix" December 18, 2020 at 18:19

        Absolutely, will share ANY pertinent details.
        At this point, “retirement” finances are constrained… against the very real and possible influx of “money” in early Spring to perhaps, finance the “extravagance”.
        Three months from now..; an eternity in politics AND personal outlooks of money and circumstance.
        Once again, suggestions for better employment of resources?
        (I live in an elongated valley of private property, surrounded by National Forest, less than 8 miles from a population center of roughly 75k, mostly “Progressive” (i.e.: “clueless” and utterly dependent on supply chains/stability). A source of the “walking dead” if ever there was one.

        • James December 18, 2020 at 19:12

          I would say sounds like you live in a good position/ideal,perhaps not but National Forest provides a lot of places to get to in a hurry/cache supplies spots ect.The best I could say is you should if not already hike the forest and look at short/mid term options there.

          I will say till recently never considered the having a few buckets of freeze dried supply due to plenty of stock in home but a few 5 gal. cans tossed in a truck quickly ect. now see would be key,why I visit here,gets me to at least think.

          To folks like you and me,a 8 mile hike nothing but perhaps a few stops for sight seeing/enjoying the walk ect.,to desperate folks a bit more and not ready clothes/mentally/physically a real trek,especially in 3′ snows we have recently gotten.

          So,from what you have said would be if you have not already be eyeing the forest for short term if absolutely necc.,you have a valley team well,perhaps a drone the final plan piece,good luck to you and all of us.

          Keep in mind in total transparency this is coming from a guy who will be happy to survive a few weeks it all goes wrong,but,feel till it hits getting a little stronger/smarter by the day and hopefully that helps.

    • boss21 December 18, 2020 at 22:45

      A friend has a thermal drone. $13,000.
      Pros-Very nice – we were watching the feed on the tv. 40 min hang time. A modem 4″ by 6″ will plug into any usb device. 3 klick datalink range, so many individuals so equipped can watch the feed, infinite racetrack programming.
      Cons – Loud rotor sound , Low resolution ( small objective lens) . It talks to internet and GPS so ‘they’ see what it sees and where it is. Too much time dicking around with set up and controlling it.
      For that money a thermal viewer , a PVS 14 kit and then some can be had. The Pulsar Helion thermal has high res, PIP , adjustable objective and AK ruggedness for $4000. The feral hog guys love them.

      • James Carpenter aka "Felix" December 19, 2020 at 12:16

        Yep. Thermal equipped drone/thermal rifle scope – spendy no matter what. Sans support for an area drone, an ATN ThOR-HD 384 will be second choice. Given my personal weak spots and the details of topographical difficulties, it would seem that darkness of night, better equipped than the average mischief maker, would be the time of options and advantage.

  2. Cavguy December 18, 2020 at 15:57

    Comms and drones, its what for Christmas!!!!

    • StormN December 19, 2020 at 13:55

      So true. I have a drone pilots license but almost no airtime. I got it to start a new career. Practically speaking its intel we would be wanting. The over $1,000 to over $2,000 drones have a lot of autonomous features. They almost fly themselves. They’re not at all like flying a cheapie. NC Scout, when’s the next drone class?:)

  3. Wrench December 18, 2020 at 19:06

    I can foresee flocks of drones bearing down on an encampment or outpost or city or like Obummer did and take out a single target including his/her family with a single unit.
    Welcome to modern confict.

  4. RB in GA December 18, 2020 at 19:31

    Amazing what having another major regional player or two or your side will do to help a country win a war. Who stood with a Christian Armenia? No one.

    • NC Scout December 18, 2020 at 19:46

      Unfortunately, you’re right. The Azeris have long been a proxy for Turkey’s interests. That said, Iran pledged support should Armenia itself be invaded, and Russia was instrumental in stopping the fighting.

      Armenia’s lesson should be to foment closer ties with both those nations (which they have friendly terms with both), building their UAV capability as well.

      • StormN December 20, 2020 at 11:42

        You show how complicated these issues are. This is why the imperialistic Ugly American that we are needs to mind our own business better and stop rushing in ‘where angels fear to tread’. It just makes things much worse – deadly worse.

        • NC Scout December 20, 2020 at 17:17

          Yup.

  5. dank December 18, 2020 at 20:27

    Sounds like we need to step up our anti-drone ECM game…

    • StormN December 20, 2020 at 11:50

      Oh Yeah! That’s gonna happen for sure – and soon, I’ll bet. Let’s not forget that soon we’re also going to being seeing various other kinds from robot dogs, robot soldiers, etc. I’ll also bet that the citizen -soldier with a little bit of training will have access to some of the cheaper versions. I look forward to this. Man! is this thrilling or what?

      • James Carpenter aka "Felix" December 20, 2020 at 18:42

        “Looking forward” to it doesn’t sound very nice. But then, we aren’t the guys that get repeat invites to cocktail parties conducted sans Mossy Oak now, are we? :-)
        The military vets here have some tremendous advantages over the remainder of wannabes, hopefuls, keyboard warriors and old dreamers. But like all fish, the deeper and broader the pool that circumstances find them swimming in? Heck, every mother’s son (and daughter) can be of service if they are if so motivated. And motivation of Patriotism will definitely result of trend lines today. The pool that our most valuable fish could swim in should be very, very deep as folks begin to appreciate what is going down around them.
        In recent history (last 100 years), many examples of guerilla warfare against oppression can be found. The technical details have yet to overshadow the attitudinal.
        If Deep State and Big Tech are destined to define some image of “enemy”, so be it. But after carefully looking over the fine print, I can’t find a single word that sez I’m restricted from using their own weapons against them (the realities of $ notwithstanding).
        Drones. It’s what’s for breakfast (after you break open the piggy bank)

        • StormN December 25, 2020 at 01:12

          My enthusiasm comes from enjoying the preparedness life style and anything that will improve my odds. I kinda forgot momentarily the sobering reality of the soldier side of the ‘soldier-citizen’ equation which obviously many on this website have experience with. The war and death referred to in this thread should not so easily be forgotten or ignored.

    • StormN December 20, 2020 at 12:01

      Great video. Mr. Gupta is the kind of journalist I wish we had A LOT more of here. I’ve read a little about how Israel has been successfully creating diplomatic ties with a few Arab/Moslem countries like Saudi-Arabia and Morocco. Of course the media doesn’t give President Trump enough credit for his diplomacy but I’m starting to wonder if Israel’s successful drone warfare in this Azerbaijan-Armenia war may have been a part of forcing people to the negotiating table.

  6. David A Fletcher December 20, 2020 at 21:33

    I was thinking mini blimps, like they use for advertising. They carry payloads and a can be made silent on approach or while staying in position. Much cheaper then the loud, flying lawn mowers people buy.

    • StormN December 21, 2020 at 11:21

      Hey! no bad! Fly time would be much longer per battery charge. Less electronics even. All on just a farts worth of helium.

  7. Juri December 24, 2020 at 18:28

    Armenians lost not because of drones but horrific incompetence and WW I fighting style. When you sitting in the trench like in WW I and waiting for death, then old good spotter with radio and mortar unit will get the same job done.

    All those high tech gadgets working only against enemy who is dumb as hell. When you go to the explosive course, then first thing you learn is standard explosive formulas. And they tell that blowing up metal, the air between metal and explosives must be calculated as metal thickness. It mean that when you bowing up BTR 80 with armor 1 inch, but your explosive charge is 3 feet away, then charge size must be calculated for 37 inches. So really you must blow up thicker armor than most tanks have in front.

    The second thing is shaped charge normally with copper conus what melts and burns the tank trough. After that, people in tank can enjoy sauna with. 5000°F. But here is also problem that shaped charge must be on the right distance to burn armor trough.

    So, to keep you tank, BTR or whatever armored vehicle safe, there is a simple solution. Weld something we call RPG net. It does not defend machine against heavy artillery shells but it will destroy all thin beer can metal RPGs and rockets or makes them explode feet or more away from armor and then you are safe.

    This is how RPG net looks like. Everybody can weld it in your own backyard.
    https://defense-update.com/20120613_eurosatory-2012-photo-report.html/leo2a6can_rpg

    Our friends Arabs putting 200 kg bombs for reason. With enough air between metal and explosive, almost no charge can not penetrate the armor. Not even nuclear bomb. But what may happen, the blast kick BTR with such a speed, that people inside fly and hit to death. Basically it works like plane crash other way around. I remember, when Arabs put bomb under my army BTR or Armored Personnel Carrier. Outside it looked just dusty like nothing were happened .But guys inside were dead and later coroner found all their internal organs between their legs. Their own BTR was pushed up with such a speed that their spinal cords were broken, all blood vessels and internal organs ripped loose and moved downwards , so their entrails were one big mess laying on top of pelvis. What were also broken.

    Wiki tells Jew Harop drone has 23 kg warhead. If this explodes 3 feet away from thin 1 inch armor, nothing will happens. How those Armenians did not knew such basic facts and primitive and effective methods against RPGs and rockets , I do not know. Rumor claim that Soros puppet Government purged the army so there was no specialists left.

    Generally peaking, all those high tech gadgets have one huge problem. Their working principle is based on basic grammar school laws of physics and when you know them, then it is relatively easy to fool or just avoid high tech stuff. One high IQ nerd may make entire army high tech useless. Against old school artillery, there are no simple solutions. When 155mm heavy artillery shell is coming, there is nothing, anybody can do.

    Of course, drones and other high tech will remain in the battlefield and against dumb enemy they are effective. But competent and flexible enemy makes those expensive toys useless very fast. For example, drone can not make the difference between real radar what costs millions and same frequency emitter, build by local schoolboy for 20USD. So let them shoot 20USD decoys with 100 000 USD Hellfire’s.

    Thermal camera can`t see things when thing temperature is the same with ground temperature. So when you make ambush, put your bivvy up and aluminum foil or thermal blanket on it. Aluminum mirrors all body emitted infrared radiation back , takes outside temperature very fast and thermal camera sees nothing. Or buy 2 inflatable sex puppets, fill them with water and put primitive heater, so water will stay 97.88°F and dumb drone sees sniper ambush. You may add few degrees if you need report about covid sick snipers on enemy commander desk.

    So careful with those high tech gadgets. False feeling of security ends almost every time badly. US Army deployed drones and all it`s high tech stuff in Afghanistan for 2 decades and Taliban hasn`t gone anywhere.

    • StormN December 25, 2020 at 01:23

      You remind me of Selco. Thankfully his support staff new not to ‘polish’ his english too much. I think I understood you very well. Your post was riveting and most informative.

    • Gray Man December 30, 2020 at 11:30

      “Inflatable sex puppets” on AP.

      Now I’ve seen it all.

      But some very valuable info throughout your comment.

      Awesome post, my man. Thank you.

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