Guest Post: Police, Petty Laws, and Societal Collapse, by Phoenix Demon

The following is a guest article submitted to American Partisan for publication. It is published as we received it, with no edits done.


Just as “kids will be kids” is an idiom used to describe the nature of children, “cops will be cops” could be said to be an idiom to describe the nature of police. Let me say before we get into this that I’m a 15 year veteran police officer who also has family who are career law enforcement officers. I’m a believer, supporter, and advocate for the Thin Blue Line. I’m also a pretty big advocate for my kids to, but I can still find room for improvement with them, but I digress. My point is police officers have certain traits that are part of their nature. One of those traits is the desire to enforce laws. It breaks my heart every time I hear a citizen complain about an officer enforcing petty laws; it’s misdirected anger.
As I alluded to, it’s a police officer’s nature to enforce laws, all laws. Sometimes, officers just can’t help themselves. They see a law being broken and they feel compelled to take action. Now If you’re the kind of person that thinks police lie in bed at night awake, thinking of ways to screw people over or you just think police are bad people, then what I’m saying will probably be lost on you. I come from a point of view that the vast majority of police officers in our nation are good people who genuinely want to help others.
The root of the problem is the people creating the petty laws. The people who Support the aforementioned law makers are equally to blame. Those people are often cowards who enjoy a nanny state running their life. However, there is a much more nefarious facet of these petty laws that is hidden.
A little primer on police in the western world. Possibly as far back as when Hammurabi’s code was the law of the land, people who were entrusted with the responsibility of protecting others and enforcing laws were granted a level of respect above that of the layman. This respect stemmed from a public’s trust in the very people who were enforcing the laws. In modern times it is said that the badge is a symbol of public trust. So long as police have the public’s trust, they can effectively enforce the laws and most importantly, keep people safe.
But what happens when police enforce what society views as petty laws? The trust between the community and the officer is broken down. The further this trust is diminished the harder it is for the officer to do their job. Until at some point you have people believing police are the enemy. Don’t think this is the case? Look at the sentiment towards police today in many large cities. Especially cities ran by leftists. The trust has been so far eroded that people who witness a murder refuse to talk to police. Ironically, this leads to more crime, crime which might not happen if people talked to and worked with police.
Recent examples of police enforcing petty laws are cases where you see officers arresting people for having their mom and pop grocery store open when Covid rules require them to be closed. Or not wearing facemasks in public. In one of the more egregious cases, a lady in Idaho was at her child’s football game, sitting outdoors in a bleacher that was not crowded. Two police arrest her for not having a mask on. I realize there was probably other statutes at play like failing to follow a lawful order, or disobeying a command from an officer, I know, I’ve played this game too. As I watch the video of the event, I can’t help but have sympathy for the lady…and the officers. The officers are tasked with enforcing a law (I don’t even want to go down the rabbit hole of whether the mask rule was enforceable as law or not) and enforce it they will. To the police officers, they were doing their job. But to most people watching the incident, it was two police Tasering a woman and dragging her off in handcuffs for the major crime of not wearing a mask. This inevitably results in animosity towards the police for their actions. I would not want to be the public relation officer for that department trying to explain how that arrest was necessary.
I fully understand that police will always have some laws to enforce that are of lesser consequence than others. There is a bit of law enforcement philosophy to consider, what things should officers focus on? Either way, with each petty new infraction, with each petty new misdemeanor, with each petty new code that police are tasked with enforcing, their bonds with the community are weakened. And remember we’re dealing with nature. A police officer will continue to do their best to enforce laws because it’s their nature. And people will continue to be more adverse towards police because its human nature not to like to be confronted and harangued. It is my belief that the proponents who legislate for these petty laws know exactly what they are doing. It is their goal to break down our society. Why they want to do this is a topic for another article.
Where this ends is with law enforcement no longer having the support of the very communities they want to protect. This will lead to higher crime rates, and societal decay. Without the Thin Blue Line, society as we know it collapses.
What then can people do to get off the course we’re on. Quit supporting efforts for petty laws to be put in place. Additionally, resist the urge to create a new law to remedy every negative situation that arises in life. Let officers focus on keeping the peace and stopping offenders that seek to hurt others instead of worrying about petty “crimes.”
And what can my kindred in uniform do? I fully understand that in many agencies speaking out about laws that are petty is not an option. But, the police unions that are supposed to be representing the interests of those officers need to step up, and go earn those union dues; fight to get bad and petty laws repealed. Ultimately, doing so protects the officers you represent.
Together, law enforcement and the communities they protect can work to make the world a better place, and in the end, isn’t that what we all want? Well, that and maybe a donut or two, I am a former cop after all.

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84 Comments

  1. Jefferson Thomas March 26, 2021 at 10:19

    Please review the Nuremberg trials.
    Yes, the clowns in office elected by the clowns at the polls (when that system works properly) making the laws are more responsible, but you have missed the point of nullification. Please review the writings of the Founding Fathers along with the genealogy of the Constitution (going back to 1014.) To summarise (and quote) “Unconstitutional laws are no laws at all.”

  2. boss21 March 26, 2021 at 10:27

    Walk away. I wanted to stay in .mil but couldn’t abide the crap we were being used for and that was before the sandbox. Many now in police and military are hanging in for pensions and trying to grey man their way to the finish line. Not very honorable.
    The resignation letter by the English cop the other day shows the way.
    You are right though – police are just the manifestation of the informer/busybody culture

  3. 0ughtsix March 26, 2021 at 10:41

    All points well taken, Sir, carefully and reasonably stated, and thank you, but…
    I would have appreciated this article and your views a good deal more had you even mentioned that pesky Oath. You know, the one to which you and your tribe swore to uphold and defend the Constitutions both of The United States and your individual States? No one, including and especially sworn “peace officers” and the military, are compelled to follow illegal or unconstitutional orders.
    You and we are all men and citizens responsible first for our own moral and ethical decisions before we are anything else. If your superiors tell you to confiscate private property that is protected by the the basic rights of men, and perfectly legal the day before some tyrannical statists pass some “law,” you are violating not only your sworn oath but basic human rights in general. That is but one example. All those pesky, petty, unethical and immoral malum prohibitum “laws” you cited also are in that category.
    You should check your “Nuremberg defense” at the door to the station house.

    • Umbra March 26, 2021 at 12:17

      Bravo, still waiting for that declaration from the local gendarme that they will not be carrying out unconstitutional, unlawful orders. On a national level the Police Officer Associations should be making this declaration.

  4. FlyBy March 26, 2021 at 11:18

    Most folks don’t view Covid-19 rules are not laws. In most cases, if not all, the city council, the state legislature, nor Congress drafted a bill, nor was a bill signed into law by the mayor, governor or president. They are some decree made up by someone who feels that they should have the power to control what other folks can and can’t do. If police feel animus from the enforcement of such “laws”, perhaps it’s their conscious speaking as they know this to be true. Furthermore, the zeal that many in your profession display while enforcing such “laws” does little to advance your position. MHO.

    • Umbra March 26, 2021 at 12:09

      The word “Mandate” makes my hair stand up on the back of my neck.

  5. Reader March 26, 2021 at 11:42

    Constitutional Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association. Good group of advocates for the Bill of Rights.

  6. brian donley kozak March 26, 2021 at 12:00

    most cops are followers. they do what their told. cant blame it on the people who make the laws .need to think for themself , which most cant or wont . they have everything to lose if they buck the syestem pension gun and sence of authority i call bullshit on his excuses

  7. SITG March 26, 2021 at 12:34

    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so”. Thomas Jefferson
    Sir, you really need to check out the Constitutional Sheriff’s and Peace Officer’s Association and get educated on that Oath you swore to uphold and defend the Constitution. Under the reasoning you presented in your article, is sounds like you would be totally OK to come confiscate my firearms if you were told to do so by your boss. You have a big decision coming up.

  8. Anonymous March 26, 2021 at 13:08

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  9. MTHead March 26, 2021 at 13:11

    Something else you forgot sir, was your zeal? I mean, why not a ticket for not wearing a mask? Instead of a tazer? That was all you. It didn’t need to go there. That was the personal police choice. And it was a petty bullshit choice at that.
    Want to know what we see? Criminals, Real thieving, murdering, criminals, political to street thug, are as hard to find as a rock in Utah. And somehow you’all just keep missing the obvious ones, in favor of us low hanging criminals?
    They may write the laws, but YOUR the action. Don’t forget psychics.
    Want to enforce law? Try aiding and abiding illegal aliens.8usc.,1324. And when you tell me your not a federally. I’ll say; then why are you asking me about my suppressor paperwork?

    • FlyBy March 26, 2021 at 14:32

      Damn Straight!

  10. neptunus rex March 26, 2021 at 13:54

    The choice is between enforcing the law, arresting one and all for every infraction on the books, or keeping the peace, overlooking the petty stuff and concentrate on keeping the community safe? Like for example, ignore the people not wearing a mask, and instead, shutting down all the asian “massage parlors” that blight every city that are nothing but fronts for prostitution.

  11. LawrenceOfAL March 26, 2021 at 14:00

    The reality is that there is not a single politician anywhere who will enforce a law they pass – including judges. Imagine Pelosi or Schumer coming to your house at 0300 and kicking your door in. Therefore, it falls to LEO’s and .mil to do the dirty work. The enforcers have real veto power. Leo’s and .mil can and must refuse to allow this nation and then the free world go down the drain.
    This being said, I have respect for the LEO’s and .mil who do a thankless job under dangerous conditions. At least the ones with real respect for their fellow humans…

  12. Ned2 March 26, 2021 at 14:41

    Stop using the Nuremberg defense for cops enforcing dumb laws. It makes you sound stupid.

    • CPB March 26, 2021 at 15:14

      You beat me to it, WELL SAID. Police and deputies can REFUSE to be constant assholes and use common sense. It’s just my job IS NOT a DEFENSE to be little tyrants.

  13. Luke March 26, 2021 at 15:02

    Just get in the boxcar. I’m just following orders.

  14. vermillion March 26, 2021 at 15:23

    You mention “petty laws” such as masks and distancing which, by your standard, are laws none the less and enforced by the cops. They are not LAWS. They are edicts and mandates created by governors and mayors and city councils. You go on to say that this kind of behavior erodes the trust that the public must have in the police in order for the two to get along so to speak and for the cops to do their job. I agree. However you fail to mention the brutality by the cops during the summer of 2020. Lack of trust and confidence of the public in the police was hammered home and made very evident last summer when everyone witnessed the cops (uniformed) washing the feet of black lives matter. Also don’t forget all the looting and burning that was ALLOWED by the cops. I am sure you have seen the footage of people ransacking Walmart’s in broad day light and not a cop in sight. How about people dining outside? Or mobs of antifa and black lives matter thugs harassing patrons and trashing restaurants’? Even going so far as one black lives member grabs a beer off the table of a patron and mockingly drinks it in front of him and his family. Lastly, lets not forget the kneeling by uniformed cops, white and blue shirted, kneeling in support of black lives matter and antifa. You perceive from a false assumption that the people wanted this by allowing these laws to take place. As for everything else today the people have little or no say in anything. The people didn’t want this. All these mandates, edicts, and proclamations were given strength by the police and nothing more. The police are the enforcers. They are not PEACE officers.

  15. mike rodent March 26, 2021 at 15:56

    as a 32 yr fireman in los angeles, who got to see up close what cops do from a lot of different agencies, all i can say is GO TEAM DORNER!!! its all about paycheck and pension. if cops gave a shit about community relationships, them and their fucking unions would worry about whats right, instead of whats illegal. FOAD.

    • DWEEZIL THE WEASEL March 26, 2021 at 23:45

      Mr. Rodent: Your post reminded me of what my dad, a LAFD firefighter(Eng. Co 61) told me when I applied to be a Deputy Sheriff. He said: Don’t be a cop, John! Cops are lazy and they’re stupid! Well, I did not listen. And, to some extent, he was right. The thing is, my agency demanded we act as Peace Officers. We were tasked to preserve the peace and prevent violations of law, not just arrest people.
      That all changed during the Reagan-Bush years with the bogus WAR ON DRUGS, and the Darryl Gates-Nancy Rayguns D.A.R.E. Program. It has been downhill ever since. One has only to go to The Rutherford Institute website to get the truth about what the: “Thin Blue Line” is really all about. The tatted-up, beetle-browed, ‘roided-out, brain-dead storm troopers of today are as far removed from me as East from West. I folded my tent and walked away from it many years ago. Bleib ubrig.

  16. Anonymous March 26, 2021 at 16:09

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  17. Umbra March 26, 2021 at 16:11

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2021/03/23/biden-administration-urges-supreme-court-to-let-cops-enter-homes-and-seize-guns-without-a-warrant/
    Biden Administration Urges Supreme Court To Let Cops Enter Homes And Seize Guns Without A Warrant

    • John R. Souza March 26, 2021 at 19:24

      Well, this will be a recipe for disaster…Unconstitutional as all hell too. I’d say it won’t last long, but with our current Supreme Court they might just let it slide.

    • John R. Souza March 26, 2021 at 19:42

      Sweet Jesus, y’all are pretty negative towards LE. And some of the things pointed out in the comments are dead on (while some of you may need to work on completing your GED’s). I personally feel law enforcement is a dying profession. The officers that are willing to take stand and say F off to BS orders from superiors are being systematically weeded out by liberal government officials and judges that don’t support them. And slamming the author for using the mask “mandates” as an example, dude…He kind of said there was a problem considering the mask stuff to be “laws.” Either way a cop saying they’re just following orders IS BS. But, at the same time do you really want them to be judges in the field? I get it, a little discretion on what they enforce could go along way. For what its worth the Sheriff in the area I’m in did bascically tell the state to F off when asked to enforce the mask BS. As we devolve into CW2 (and make no mistake, that’s coming down the track like a loaded freight train) you’ll have liberal cops that are jack booted thugs much like the brown shirts in NAZI Germany and you’ll have patriotic police that respect the Constitution…The fighting wil be severe. But the tree of liberty will eventually get watered, AGAIN by the blood of tyrants…

      • J March 26, 2021 at 21:46

        I’d say Law Enforcement ought to be as dead as ethics in D.C. as a profession. For the first part of my life, back when testosterone was a common denominator in the American male population, it was called Community Policing. Back in the day police officers went about policing the community. Hell, in the hopping farm town I grew up in we had two whole cops. One worked days and the other one worked nights. If they needed backup the county deputies were generally within cat slinging distance. The rest of the town was ready in case it were to get Apocalyptic. All the back up they needed to deal with us kids was a phone call to our folks. If that call was made it was for a reason and most of us would have begged the cops to protect us from the consequences of that call.
        Back before a DUI was worth 15-20k a pop for the shit weasels running the town, the cops knew what we were all doing. The rule was work hard play hard and mind yourself. We’d park our trucks in a big circle and shoot the breeze, rope dummy heads, sing off key and sneak off with them perty smelling little gals if they were up for sneaking. If you weren’t fit for running they’d pour your beer out and get you home or follow you if you weren’t torn up with promises of real trouble if you drove over thirty-five miles an hour. And don’t get caught out again tonight. No matter your age , everyone understood physics. Actions have consequences good and bad.
        Law Enforcement can make all the excuses they want to justify overreach. They smell like shit just like the keening cries of the mewling wastes of skin that are spreading over America like a bad rash. Everyone acts like they’re terrified of what a house cleaning will look like. I’m terrified of what society is going to look like if we don’t. Sometimes you have to set your jaw, squint yer eye and do what needs done. Only an asshole leaves the dirty business for someone else.
        The biggest gang in every city I’ve been near the last thirty years has badges and special rights. They run the dope, whores, rackets and weapons. They get a cut from all the action that isn’t directly theirs and there ain’t a threat in sight to their enterprises. You can take that nobility myth out with the rest of the trash. You know why we have a dope problem in small towns? It starts in those ugly assed municipal buildings built with matching money and spreads out like the drizzles on a vinyl bench seat. The war on drugs has been exciting and profitable for a select few.
        I want to see the days of the two cop towns and full church parking lots again. Whatever it takes will be worth it.

    • NC Scout March 26, 2021 at 20:53

      Stomp on that accelerator.

  18. Sean March 26, 2021 at 16:21

    No one can tell me that the woman tasered and arrested for not wearing a mask, was not brutalized by the police. And spare me the “We’re just doing our job” BS. BFS. A ticket would have been appropriate AT THE MOST. I would laugh myself sick at the number of our darker brethren you guys would pass up for such an infraction, and look for easier prey. (housewives and old people). What little moral authority you ever had was squandered away last summer, watching businesses burn and looting going on. Get another job, a real one. One that doesn’t make you a revenue agent for city, state, and county.

    • pyrrhus March 26, 2021 at 16:45

      I have worked with cops, or otherwise encountered them, for many years, as a caseworker and a lawyer…in the old days, petty crimes, especially by youth, were “station adjusted’…which was right and often prevented much worse outcomes…The most professional leo’s I have dealt with are the Sheriff’s deputies in our large county, who generally issue warnings when small mistakes are made by solid citizens…The worst leo’s were in the big city, who at times were as lawless as the petty criminals, and not helpful in some nasty situations….i think it is the duty of leos NOT to enforce stupid, brutal or parasitic laws, because we are all living in the same society with the same Constitution….

  19. Rando March 26, 2021 at 16:48

    I guess it is to be expected that cops will justify their actions as just following orders, or “acting according to their nature” as you put it. But where do you draw the line? Where in the Constitution does it say you have to enforce such senseless and evil laws? You are correct, these cowardly politicians don’t actually have to enforce the edicts they pass on us. These people can do nothing to us themselves. Even people like Hitler and Stalin by themselves could do nothing. It is their enforcers who make their evil a reality. So where do you draw the line?
    You can blame the politicians all you want, but at the end of the day it is YOUR ACTIONS that give their idiotic decisions power. You bring their evil into physical reality. There may come a day when the public has had enough, and all remaining respect for cops is gone. When that happens they aren’t gonna accept the excuse that you were just enforcing the law.
    If you can’t practice discretion in enforcing laws the only honorable way out is to turn in your badge.

  20. Max Barrage March 26, 2021 at 17:00

    Kindly go fuck yourself. Those cops had did not have to taser a mother in front of her children, this was all about their fucking EGOs! How dare some peasant defy the orders of a “law enforcement officer”. They CHOSE to do this, I hope someone in that community gives them a lesson they won’t soon forget. Take your “Thin Blue Line” and shove it up your ass, sideways.

  21. WilliamtheResolute March 26, 2021 at 17:04

    I find it interesting that the words “Societal Collapse” are featured in the header to this post while all I read about in the article was how “petty laws” are to blame for blatant stupidity by officers who taser old ladies and then blame the lawmakers. I guess this begs the question, what happens when you cross a line and carry out an order that’s unconstitutional? If you think the public is hostile now I suggest you consider all the possible outcomes of seizing guns. I’m retired LEO and my son is a current LEO and I would disown him if he acted like 90% of the morons that wear the uniform today…talk about the down side of affirmative action.

  22. Michael Collins March 26, 2021 at 17:09

    Unless proven otherwise, any/all LEO’s, whether state, local, federal, etc., are considered by me to be OPFOR, period.
    YOU have the power of the badge and gun, and there are countless examples of LE overreach, etc.
    I do not buy the “just following orders” BS excuse.
    LE takes the Kings schilling to do the Kings bidding, no matter what.
    If the LE community would actually clean up their own forces, get rid of the known bad and rogue officers, then that would go a long way to building trust, but that will never happen, so you sir, may be a good cop, but you are judged by the company you keep, personally and professionally.
    My question to you is, will you enforce illegal dictates that violate your oath, The Constitution and Gods Law?

  23. Anonymous March 26, 2021 at 17:22

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  24. Chris March 26, 2021 at 18:04

    Yeah, stand-down while cities riot and burn, but enforce medical tyranny and crack down on the low-hanging fruit of polite white society…. because “just following orders”. Spare me. When the confiscation orders are issued, we know which side LEO will take. “Thin blue line” has chosen sides, and it’s not ours.

  25. Green Mountain Shooter March 26, 2021 at 18:29

    Lots of comments, mostly unfavorable. LEO behavior is not a ones size fits all situation which I believe is largely influenced by geographic area. I’m guessing that the situations faced daily in the inner city vs. rural America have a lot of influence on their behavior. And as portrayed so many times in the news, law enforcement is made out by the MSM to be the criminals while dealing with actual criminals. Yes, there are bad apples in all walks of life, and I have been screwed by some and spent a night in jail. But I have also been cut a huge amount of slack that saved me a lot of money. Here in the NE Tennessee town I live in we have had a few “Back the Blue” rallies to show support for our town and county LEOs. I spent time talking to one of the town LEOs and asked if they issued speeding tickets as I had observed so many instances of speeding in town. His response was “we are just trying to keep the peace; I want to come home from work every day to my wife and children”. Put yourself in their position. You pull someone over at midnight Saturday and approach their vehicle, you have no idea if you are about to be shot. Same thing responding to a call for a domestic altercation. Imagine what it is like putting your life on the line 8+ hour a day and see how you respond. Again, the misdeeds of some do not reflect the intent of the majority.

  26. Anonymous March 26, 2021 at 18:43

    0.5

  27. Anonymous March 26, 2021 at 19:22

    3.5

  28. Walter Zoomie March 26, 2021 at 20:13

    “Without the Thin Blue Line, society as we know it collapses.”
    Lol. What a load of horseshit.

    • NC Scout March 26, 2021 at 20:52

      Because authority will restore itself. Normally eviscerating the leeches along the way.

  29. John R. Souza March 26, 2021 at 20:16

    Sweet Jesus, y’all have some negative opinion of LE. I do agree with a lot of the points brought up. Especially the point that officers saying they were “just following orders” being BS. But some of the comments, well let’s just say some of the commenters may want to go back and finish their GED’s. I think law enforcement is a dying profession. The people getting into it now are not the same kind of people getting into it 50, hell even 35 years ago. All of the cops that are willing to say F off when someone gives a BS order are getting systematically weeded out by liberal supervisors and liberal judges in the courts. What’s left is a bunch of brainless followers. In the end you will have some cops that are like the jack booted brownshirts from the NAZI era. And you’ll have some cops that respect their oath and the Constitution. And when CW2 breaks out (and believe me CW2 is coming down the track like an out of control freight train) the two types will fight. And the tree of liberty will once AGAIN be watered by the blood of tyrants.

    • NC Scout March 26, 2021 at 20:43

      Don’t mind them. Some of their opinions are justified, they others…eh. It’s a recon by fire.
      They’re angry, inarticulate boomers who wandered here from the sewer. Once they’ve had their fill they’ll head over to Gab. These are not people useful to anyone.
      They do nothing but say much, overly joyous to cash that social security check.
      We entertain all opinions and while I’d invite them to write a response, we know how that’d turn out.

  30. Anonymous March 26, 2021 at 21:32

    1.5

  31. Mickey March 26, 2021 at 21:47

    Ok I will bite. The organization of sherrifs above is a good one. My local guys here in rural america struggle with this daily. Having said that all of them know how I feel. Doesn’t matter what law you are enforcing save those that are directly dangerous to others, DIRECTLY, then you have no leg to stand on. 70 in a 55 weaving in traffic, acting the fool? ok stop the problem. 70 in a 55 with no car in sight or clearly far off a simple flash of the blues slows folks down. That is an EXAMPLE ONLY. to make this point. While this can be interpreted as political on one side, it applies to any and all politicians, judges and yes even to your precious blue line. We have federal felons walking the streets by their own admissions. Hillery, Biden, Justice Roberts on the supreme court,
    My own governor, is so far in the Chinese pocket for $$ both personal and in kind donations that the appearance of conflict is plain to a 3rd grader. Poster is correct in that we can change laws but to what end when petty offenses can and do result in jail time at the point of a gun to common folks and yet those in power with money are never held to account. If I as a commercial driver am involved in a fatality accident, no matter whose fault I will see at the least 1 to 3 weeks without pay at home awaiting the outcome of an investigation. I will pay my own attorneys, I will in many cases make my own arrangements to prove I’m not a druggie or a drunk, (God help me if I am around a med user on a Sat. night at the firepit and happen to ingest enough to show). That’s my bad for sure but once again simply an example as I have tested clean for 20 yrs, and gave it up to pursue a career that is by the way more dangerous by far, by national stats than that thin blue line you speak of.
    Where is my qualified immunity for being a professional, trained driver? NOW you can add in the occasional bad apple in the leo community and I drive a gauntlet daily that has me fear for my life ever single time I see a leo on the side of the road working traffic, even when I am doing everything right simply because that might be my day to meet that bad apple. Spare me your drivel about how tough your job is please, YOU chose it, YOU are the one with the extra, unconstitutional rights, YOU are the one who has the authority and contacts to charge criminals. Not your jurisdiction? Ok fine but get together with other Leo’s and make the attempt. YOU can do more than any other group of folks to fix this, but you will never do so will you? Why? because it might screw with your job/pension/whatever. Have the balls to go find a real job and give it up. When not if it goes to Chaos those who did what was right now will be the ones we can trust to stand up in the end. Other wise sit down and shut up because no one cares about your problems.

  32. KC March 26, 2021 at 22:04

    Well. That escalated quickly.
    From my point of view…. It’s a pity that the kind of porkers that would Tazer a woman for not wearing a mask have not suffered from unexplained house fires or other less charitable misfortunes. Why do good Nazi’s deserve to come home every night? Well? Why?
    Just because some asshat in an ofishully ullected pozitshun invented some new law is no moral excuse for enforcing said “law”. Prostituting your conscience and soul for (purported) law and order is no excuse whatever for any immoral behavior. God doesn’t care what the “law” said nor for what your orders were. Neither does any rational, moral person. If you grow into a rational, moral person yourself, you won’t either.
    The guards at Treblinka were following “lawful orders”. Ditto for all the Soviet apparatchiks in the gulags. I guess that’s all it takes for the “back the blue” morons to like Nazis and commies, no? If not, why?
    The odd (im)moral compulsion to “enforce the law” is sure sign of moral incompetence and metal deficiency. No one who desires to exercise power over other humans is fit for any such thing. Many who desire a career in “law enforcement” should be disqualified on that basis alone. Most of the rest are ill-affected by the nature of the profession and by the nature of those who are inclined toward it.
    Enforcing immoral laws is immoral behavior. Why is this hard to understand? The fact that the legislature invented said law is no excuse whatever. If it wasn’t for the Neanderthal pointy-end-of-the-stick enforcers, the legislature would have no more power to invent crimes than the bridge club would.
    Certainly, those in law enforcement do some good. Certainly some behave heroically. So did the Golden Horde. Did you have a point? ,

  33. Disheartened March 26, 2021 at 22:04

    How incredibly sad, the ACAB crowd here, full of hatred….a HUGE resource is squandered away. I’m a cop and do agree with alot of whats posted on AP. I’ve worked at a HUGE department and now at a very small rural one. Government is broken forever, top down, no questions. I also work with fellow combat vets who are cops and DGAF when it comes to danger because those deployments change you forever. If the majority of commenters on AP are ACAB maybe you should go join BLM in their protests, you’d fit right in.
    If you can’t wait for the collapse, you deserve what’s coming, I wish it on no one, the volume of death that I’ve experienced in this job and the military is going to pale in comparison. The death and carnage will change you forever, life is so very fragile and the ignorance displayed here is sad.

    • NC Scout March 26, 2021 at 22:07

      “If the majority of commenters on AP are ACAB maybe you should go join BLM in their protests, you’d fit right in.”
      This.
      I’ll point out the commenters in here are not the norm, and I know where they came from.

    • George 1 March 26, 2021 at 23:00

      One big problem is insurmountable. Police in any society work for the elites, not the citizens. The elites in this country have decided that normal American citizens of a differing political stripe are the enemy. Therefore their security forces consider us the enemy, collectively speaking. I know there are exceptions with individual officers however those will not prove statistically significant.
      When the orders come down the vast majority of police will break into your house and drag you off to the concentration camps. History is very clear on this.

      • NC Scout March 26, 2021 at 23:07

        This argument is exactly the one the Left makes. Its called ‘Distributive Justice’.

    • Umbra March 26, 2021 at 23:43

      I had to look up ACAB as I had never seen that before. I have been accused of not getting out much. Seems it’s a thing, like Russian prison tattoos. The Sheriff and deputies in my rural area have been great. The Police in the nearby 1 mill population center refused to write tickets on the mask mandate. They handled the BLM crowd last summer quite handley. This summer is shaping up to be a hot one.

  34. NTEXVet March 26, 2021 at 23:05

    I have 3 sons who are cops. Two in small towns and one in a large metro area. Night and day difference in dept philosophy. All 3 try to keep the peace rather than enforce the rules. More success in the small towns, of course. Yes, there are many uniformed bullies. That is what the system selects for. I must ask, though, what have you done to remove the bad apples, besides gripe about it here? In the small towns around here, assholes get mived on down the road. In the metro, no one seems to care. Just as you get the government you want, you get the police you want. (or settle for).

  35. Stealth Spaniel March 26, 2021 at 23:12

    There ARE some good cops-notice that I said some. Most of the Blue Brotherhood could GAF about over-reach, lying, and beating somebody into submission. We all know their reaction to Dorner: shoot anything that might possibly be threatening. This was NOT the same LAPD I saw in action in the Russian Bank Massacre. So the membership has changed for the worse, and so has the leadership. And not for the better.
    Can we all agree on one thing? Politicians, Judges, and their comfort circle have forever ripped apart any semblance of law and order. They should be the first ones at the gallows, come GoTime. Paybacks, influences, and graft are the stuff of dreams for the ruling class. It is clear and simple that we need morality and compassion and no unconstitutional laws. I don’t mean BLM type justice either. Follow the Bill of Rights, quit making shit up, and God only made 2 genders.

  36. MOMG March 26, 2021 at 23:22

    Welfare is armed robbery by government proxy. When you tire of paying for rent and food for the welfare recipients and stop paying taxes, the government will prosecute you. If you resist the prosecution, the government will send people with guns to arrest you. If you resist the people with guns, they will shoot to injure or kill you.
    Where I live multiple count felons are released on low or no bonds in an attempt at bond reform. Numerous of these releases have resulted in more murders, rapes and robberies, amongst other crimes. The thing going on at the southern border is another issue that could be complained about endlessly. These things are not done out of the compassion of the politicians. They are done purposely to pervert law and order with the goal of making the people give up to the government or to openly fight the government. Either way, they plan to dominate you. Cops and soldiers are only a small part of the problem. The politicians are another small part of the problem. The big part of the problem are all the people who voted for the politicians, and they are your family, neighbors, friends and coworkers. They are your real enemies. Taking care of the real enemies could be an ugly business that not many will commit to. It’s much easier to blame the politicians and the police, but it won’t solve the problem.
    In the end you just have to either stop whining and bloviating, or solve the problem. Hopefully peacefully.
    Good luck!!!

    • ed March 27, 2021 at 06:31

      I have no liberal friends, not my kind of people.My two liberal sisters? haven’t spoken to them in ten years, they are dead to me. but you are correct, the people who support the tyrants in charge, are the real problem. unfortunately , its not going to turn out well for Amerika , is it? we have already lasted longer then most empires. we have lost our moral compass, right is wrong, and wrong is right.

  37. John Galt March 26, 2021 at 23:26

    As if the oath they take to the constitution means anything.

  38. Danby March 27, 2021 at 01:29

    The cops who tasered a woman and dragged her off did not do so because she was not wearing a mask. They did so because she defied their orders. let that sink in.
    She was tortured and kidnapped because she defied the illegal orders of government agents.
    So don’t give me your bullshit about “petty laws”. It isn’t about law. This is what you and all cops are to ordinary Americans today, petty control freaks who will not hesitate to inflict pain, coercion and even death for failing to accept their authority to issue lawless, unconstitutional commands that must be obeyed immediately.
    It’s not the petty laws, it;s you.

  39. Mike March 27, 2021 at 06:40

    I’ve been retired from the Chicago Police for almost a decade. It’s the same Dept. I joined in name only. It was and is an Honorable Profession. They can’t get quality applicants anymore, so they lower standards. PC, and an emphasis on revenue is what they want, and what they got. I looked at my job as Serving, and Protecting the good people, and locking up the bad guys. We had discretion in petty offenses, and misdemeanors. Some of the greatest people, and the biggest Assholes I’ve ever meet were fellow Cops. Us Boomers are all pretty much retired, and moved out of Hellinois for free states. I Pray every day for the protection of our Country. I also retired after 20 plus in the Air National Guard, and was a witness to a lot of Changes to our Military. I’m glad I’m old, and done with all that. May God bless us All.

    • thebronze301 March 28, 2021 at 18:14

      Amen to ALL that!!

  40. sixalpha March 27, 2021 at 08:11

    Let us all gather ’round and persecute the cops! Wow you sound like a bunch of whiny progressives. I was a federal cop for nearly 30 years and will not apologize to anyone for that. As a marine I took an oath. As a federal agent of the U.S., I took an oath. I took them seriously and still do. I believed in what I was doing. I fought the “war on drugs”. I believed in that. What? would you have illicit drugs coming into this country unchecked? Are you insane? I’m just disappointed in some of the comments here. I didn’t realize how many cop haters were posting here. How many of you have a job? Does your family rely on that support? Will you do what it takes to keep that job for your family. Cops are no different. Most will walk away from the job when it crosses their moral line. It’s like the old saying goes “Don’t criticize someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes.” Just shaking my head on this one.

    • NC Scout March 27, 2021 at 08:56

      The people who ‘commented’ in this thread are the same ones who whine and cry about the world that’s running circles around them, and they’re left wondering why.
      They ask for chaos despite the rewards of it kicking them, live in technicolor.
      What they require is order. And individually, they’re too stupid to be useful.

    • wwes March 27, 2021 at 09:39

      I would venture to guess that most of the commenters don’t take the time to get out and get to know the police/deputies in their area either. There are bad cops out there, but there are a hell of a lot of good ones too, who take their oath seriously. It’s like anything else, it’s all about local relationships- spend some time really getting to know your local cops and you might be pleasantly surprised.
      It’s like the folks who assume that all teachers are liberal mouthpieces- many of us damn sure aren’t. I put up with a lot of things I don’t agree with in the school system, but I will not go along with something that is morally wrong. Assuming that all cops are bad just because they are a cop is no different than assuming every teacher is trying to put tranny strippers in front of their kids and preach Marxism to them, and it’s just not true. They need to get off their recliner and go spend some time building those relationships.

      • NC Scout March 27, 2021 at 09:54

        Asking the commenters who came here from the internet’s septic tank to do anything in the real world?
        Choking laughter!

        • wwes March 27, 2021 at 17:34

          I know, I know, but I still thought I’d throw it out there :)

        • GenEarly March 29, 2021 at 08:56

          So when the FIB comes a visiting to you…… It won’t be a problem because you Fully Comply with Any Laws the democRat Bolshviks pass; Or It will be a problem and you either Comply or Fight?
          Many Vets are having to make these decisions Now because of 1/6/21.
          And it’s just getting started. When a national election for President is stolen and Fraudulent, I would say We have a problem.
          Many Citizens are looking to their fellow citizens who are Vets for leadership. That’s why I’m here, to learn.
          But as a historian I know What I Know, and how Empires Collapse.
          and How the Elites betray their populaces to remain in power while serving Foreign Masters.
          Chicoms Bought and Paid for Hiden Biden, and most of the Feral Bureaucratic Deep State Elites.

          • NC Scout March 29, 2021 at 09:09

            You do understand there’s a few degrees of separation from local law enforcement and federal agencies, yes?
            Further, you look at what I’ve put together and I think the picture is clear. You on the other hand, not so much.

          • NC Scout March 29, 2021 at 09:41

            Further, for all you jackasses that think you know everything- “six alpha” immediately came to the aid of several of the accused from 6 JAN. PRO BONO.
            How much did you do there, “General“? Probably nowhere near that.
            So go grab your boomer ass a big handful of viagra and go fuck yourself to your hearts content.

    • Ned2 March 27, 2021 at 09:44

      I’ll tell you why there’s a lack of respect for LEO’s today. They’re immune from prosecution. That’s not an observation, it’s written into the law.
      Whenever you publicly elevate the social status of someone and make them “more important” or “more protected” than regular people, you breed resentment.
      When those same people abuse their authority, which they will inevitably do because they are human, you breed pure hatred.
      Don’t blame the commenters on this thread who express resentment towards law enforcement officers. We are the ones who are living in fear of what you are legally able to do to eff-up our lives.

      • NC Scout March 27, 2021 at 09:48

        “They’re immune from prosecution.”
        This is factually incorrect. Its also a Leftist talking point.

        • Ned2 March 27, 2021 at 10:32

          You might want to check your local laws.
          The new Second Amendment Preservation Act here in Wyoming was recently eviscerated in the Senate before being passed back to the House, removing language that would have held law enforcement responsible by allowing ordinary citizens to sue them if they broke the new law prohibiting enforcement of Federal Gun Laws.
          Why was the language changed? EVERY Sheriff in the state protested the language in the original bill, saying in effect that they wouldn’t be able to do their jobs if they could be sued for helping the Feds.
          You can read the original bill and the amendments here: https://www.wyoleg.gov/Legislation/2021/SF0081#-489
          There are thousands of laws on the books all over the country that guarantee qualified immunity for law enforcement within the language of the laws passed. Why is this?
          Police are a protected class, and you know it.
          (And this man is not a leftist in any way shape or form; I’m just making observations.)

          • NC Scout March 27, 2021 at 10:36

            What you are saying is literally factually wrong. There’s a whole industry of Marxist lawyers marching on law enforcement in the courts daily. They’re called the ACLU, and they hate you, by the way.
            Lawsuits are not prosecution, and lawsuits happen every single fucking day. Looking at the news headlines, prosecutions do as well. To argue the contrary is stupid and you’re arguing a case that’s mutually exclusive from the real question asked.
            Don’t come here telling me to check anything- if I say it, I damn well can back it up with real world concepts, not some half-assed nonsense. Looking at the degrees on my wall, I’m qualified to make such statements. You ain’t.

        • GenEarly March 29, 2021 at 09:58

          Yes, I Do Understand the differences, and I Do like What you have posted and that’s why I’m here.
          But you are painting me and many others posting on this topic too broadly, and unfairly. There are No absolutes, I don’t condemn or praise all LE, or all Vets, or all Active duty Military; BUT there is Tyranny and Treason afoot in this ongoing Communist NWO Coup.
          CW’s are messy affairs as the fabric of society is shredded, and then subsequently realigned. We are in the shredding phase. The ProgreSSive pogrom to Defund Police is to eliminate any remaining Constitutional Officers and then they will actually Hire BLM/Antifa types, same process is ongoing for the Military. Obama purged most of the Constitutional Patriot Flag Officers and now it’s being worked down to the enlisted ranks.
          “Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater” is an old time phrase We all need to practice. Some think this Society can be saved as a Republic, others think it may be too far gone. Both are legitimate questions and by people on the same side of the fence.
          Our Founders had the same debates, and heated at times, but they were not enemies of each other, just principled patriots who eventually coalesced when the Tyranny became overwhelmingly clear cut.
          I wish you well because I wish myself well.

          • NC Scout March 29, 2021 at 10:54

            How many civil conflicts, or any conflicts have you fought in?

      • Sixalpha March 27, 2021 at 10:03

        Definitely a leftist talking point. If you screw up when you are a cop you are done. Who socially elevates cops? Right now it is about hating cops. The fact that you throw the social word around so much makes me wonder what your agenda is.

    • Scott in Phx March 27, 2021 at 11:02

      You guys just don’t get it.

      • NC Scout March 27, 2021 at 11:14

        What would that be, Scott?

    • not1word March 27, 2021 at 15:03

      As a former city police officer, and son of LAPD officers, I don’t not speak from hatred of the police, but from recognition of power run amok. The original author makes an excellent point: the majority of the blame lies with lawmakers passing far too many laws. This doesn’t relieve officers of the responsibility to be official, not officious, as one of my sergeants used to say.
      Another complication lies in the excessive preponderance of policing agencies. The various county sheriffs of the several States should be the highest law enforcement representatives in those States. There is zero constitutional authority for any level of federal police. One breaks their solemn oath to uphold the constitution by participating in a federal police agency.
      Another sore evil is the entirely unconstitutional idea of asset seizure and forfeiture without a trial, which is a bulwark of the entire “war on drugs”. An officer of any agency, from federal down to local, who participates in that outright unconstitutional horror has forfeited his privilege to wear a badge.

      • NC Scout March 27, 2021 at 15:29

        This.

  41. MrEd March 27, 2021 at 15:36

    Interesting comments, I understand both sides. The Police are just a reflection of the society they are tasked with working in. I was a part time 11B, 6 years, and a police officer for 15 years. I guess I was fortunate. Plenty of training mixed with the common sense that bullshit laws were just that. Most chicken shit laws we stayed away from, and did not bother to enforce. If you were a good person doing something minor, we gave you a warning about the particular law and you were on your way. I and my people wanted nothing more than to serve and help our community. You understand that we deal mostly with the underbelly, right? Not regular working folks, or upstanding members of our community. I am talking about actual criminals and felons. I took plenty of them to jail, and probably missed more than I took. There will never be enough peace officers to actually be able to control a City or jurisdiction. Just not enough bodies. You have to mostly agree not to kill each other. We never had enough people or money to do the job right. A community used have to agree to be policed, or that contract between citizen and police/peace officer would never work.You honestly thing a small group of guys could impact a City that is burning itself down? Not without machine guns and or a M203. How many cops do you think work in a city at any one time? Some smaller cities have two or three. Bigger cities maybe 15. So, a fucking squad and a half. Some of whom may not be worth a fuck in a real fight. (You know some of these types) Some big cities have way more but they are spread out all over the City. You leave one neighborhood undefended, and the criminals come out to prey on the sheep. And you want us to take care of your problem with a handgun and a shotgun back in the ride. Right. In the past, I think there was a better understanding that holding a community to a set of standards (laws) was everyone’s job. It is you know. You can’t stand at the window looking outside and watch anymore. We should not have formalized policing. It should be everyone’s job. But it isn’t as some of our community just cannot hands on with a dirtbag. Or won’t, just cause they are pussies.
    I hope we can all find a way to work together in the future. If it gets as ugly as my gut tells me, we are going to have to. I would have your backs anytime…..most of you, anyway. Some of you fuckers are going to get a very cool and enlightening education. For free.

  42. soapweed March 27, 2021 at 16:24

    After 6 1/2 decades, the transformation of the blue strong arm of the multi-level politicos and the incessant revenue generation by the blue gangs is out of control. Gone mostly is ‘officer friendly’, and also is any semblance of respect we proles had for them. I have never needed their input nor their protection. If in the future, a need does arise, I’ll just suck it up and take my lumps rather than participate in perpetuating their facade. This is too simple for those enjoying the fat of the feast. For every example of the good cop in the Boulder incident there are numerous examples of those lying on the motel carpet and being executed or killed for herding your bull back of the road right-of-way like Mr Yantis….

    • Sixalpha March 27, 2021 at 19:23

      Sounds like the socialist rifle association and the redneck revolt are sounding off here. Their numbers are growing.

      • GenEarly March 29, 2021 at 08:35

        Of Course they are Growing!!! Are you Oblivious to the Activities of the FIB over the past Decade???
        Or their “Round Up” of Trump Patriots from 1/6/21, while letting Antifa from the same Event walk Free???
        and No Bail for Trespassing Charges is a bit tyrannical.
        The Feral Government is the Enemy of Liberty and Freedom and Citizens, Illegals and Deep State Criminals not so much.
        Too Many Cities and States act just like the Ferals.

  43. Colombo March 28, 2021 at 01:47

    Just an observation, take from it what you will… Trust is hard earned and quickly lost. The uniform gives immediate visual identification and memory of past experience with law enforcement. Just being a decent person in no way can protect you from being profiled, ironic as it may be, in uniform you should expect to be as welcomed as the worst power tripping ass tolerated in your department. As for the feds, lying, cheating, false testimony, gun running, murder, arson, destruction of evidence, payoffs, bribery…

    • sixalpha March 28, 2021 at 11:42

      So in your twisted mind is anyone good? Or maybe just you. You paint law enforcement with a broad brush. I suggest you stop speaking of things you know nothing about.

      • Colombo March 28, 2021 at 21:04

        Being morally selective of those who one associates or works with may be twisted to some. I have left jobs and completely disassociated with those whose character I find intolerable sometimes even evil. My choice my life, I have no problem with the level of acceptance of others but rest assured it is noticed by others. Some of this comes from relatives long gone but from law enforcement. Different time I guess. Anyway like I said originally just an observation… As for the feds I can see plain as day the character of those in charge and wouldn’t have anything to do with their corrupt organisations especially after what they got away with doing to a general just for political power, they can talk to my lawyer, I’m not saying anything to ANY of them.

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