War Over Ukraine? Are You MAD?, by Vagabond

Don’t suppose cries of ‘NO BLOOD FOR NATURAL GAS!’ has the same ring to it. -NCS
I will NOT send my son or daughter to fight in Ukraine!
WAR against Russia? My God, for what? To save the world for democracy?
What? For free and fair elections? Sure we can teach them all about that.
For a free and unbiased press? Sure, just like CNN, NYT and all the rest ad nauseum. Emphasis: ad nauseum. 
For treating all citizens fairly and justly? Sure. Burn the Fed Buildings in Portland go free, get a stipend, and move on to Minneapolis. Set foot in DC – SWAT and cancel at your front door!
HA!
HELL NO!
NOT!
Maybe it’s better  to save the world FROM democracy, at least as it’s practiced here.
If war it will be send in the new Rainbow Military to destroy the Russians and keep the world safe against climate change denial! From homophobia! From religion! But maybe that’s part of the plan: start a war and get rid of many more Dangerous Deplorables.
Perhaps it’s to keep the Biden/Romney investments safe; now that’s another reason to once again mobilize the Deplorables and send them off to die; but hey – at least we know that our veterans will be taken care of as heroes even as the new DHS and FBI raid their homes for Red Flag suspicions: after all, besides being loyal and traditionally patriotic, many have skills. Certain, special skills that apparently when coupled with a Molon Labe attitude severely frighten some people even in their safest of spaces.
But have no fear, we will prevail!  At least we know the Rainbow Navy will sink at least a few Russian ships as our Social Justice deck officers crash into them.; they already became proficient in this tactic in the Pacific.
I do NOT want fight the Russians, nor anyone else for that matter; I would rather we get our own country sorted out whatever form it eventually takes, and if that can’t happen, start the peaceable divorce proceedings.
However It’s gotten reflexive now, my attitude I mean. If the ruling elite want it, I DON”T. If they want to fight so much, let their protected antifa fight for them, or BLM, or any other street fighting group that having never met me and know nothing about me hate me all the more. And everyone who remotely looks like me, or even believes like me even if their appearance and origins are totally different from mine. Let THEM do it.
No doubt this is somehow a ‘follow the big money’ thing, but besides that, just maybe the Russians (along with  Eastern Europeans and the Boer) are so, so despised because they are the only groups who stand unabashedly unapologetic about being who they are. 
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NC Scout is the nom de guerre of a former Infantry Scout and Sergeant in one of the Army’s best Reconnaissance Units. He has combat tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He teaches a series of courses focusing on small unit skills rarely if ever taught anywhere else in the prepping and survival field, including his RTO Course which focuses on small unit communications. In his free time he is an avid hunter, bushcrafter, writer, long range shooter, prepper, amateur radio operator and Libertarian activist. He can be contacted at [email protected] or via his blog at brushbeater.wordpress.com .

26 Comments

  1. Anonymous April 23, 2021 at 08:32

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  2. boss21 April 23, 2021 at 09:38

    Good summary. Everything they do has diminished returns lately. Vaccine uptake hitting a wall. Race baiting getting old. British imperial tricks not working as well anymore.
    Their legions now comprise the dregs of humanity. Our side grows daily. Robots and fags vs real people. Desperate moves are their only play now.

  3. Dana Henry April 23, 2021 at 10:22

    I became an isolationist in the 70s. After service and during Viet Nam I was studying in Great Britain when Nixon ordered bombing of Cambodia. The Brits I knew there were livid. They condemned the US. I had a pretty good feeling toward them but it changed. The anti US crap was over the top. It was my opinion, at that time, the US should never involve themselves militarily with a foreign country again. To hell with the world. Quite serendipitous I ran into the UK ambassador to the US in the Heathrow lounge waiting for our flights to NY. He struck up the conversation and it went to the US/Viet Nam/Cambodia yadda yadda. I’ll boil it down to the conclusion. I told the ambassador I was bitter about UK’s anti US rhetoric; bitter about Viet Nam, how the US is treated and a bunch of things.
    I said..”Sir, the US has bailed your country, and the world, out twice when you got your alligator mouth into something that your canary bird ass couldn’t get you out of. I hope that no young man in our uniform ever risk their lives for you or anyone else every again”. He asked if other Americans felt the same as I and I said you bet. A little over the top I know, but that was in the 70s, I was in my 20s so times and people change. There are country’s that I support including Ukraine, and I have no problem with getting even as we have in Afghanistan and Iraq, but until we get our own house sorted out let the world sort out their’s among themselves. We may have a war of our own to take care of.

    • SemperFi, 0321 April 23, 2021 at 13:48

      I also served early 70’s, started to understand later who the US really is.
      You need to dig a little deeper on the US/UK alliance in WW1-WW2 and the connection between Churchill and his cousin FDR. All contrived and planned between those 2 war mongers, read Smedley Butler and see who FDR was before WW1 in the banana republics. All big business and protecting the City of London bankster elites interests, as was the petroleum in China post WW1.
      Gee, now we have petroleum popping up again to kill off some more soldiers while the elites get richer.
      Listen to this, it’s who owns you;
      https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/04/no_author/monopoly-an-overview-of-the-great-reset-follow-the-money/

      • Dana Henry April 23, 2021 at 14:53

        Roger your point and Rockwell puts out some good stuff.
        One serious problem we’ve had for awhile is that history is either ignored or changed.
        Younger people do not know the real truth. Everybody from their parents to Sunday School Teacher, School Teacher, hero, whomever have been propagandized and indoctrinated rather than educated since at least the 1960s.
        I look for old history books and save them.

  4. Juri April 23, 2021 at 11:56

    Ukraine need foreign troops because there is a coup coming and normal ukros are so angry that regime can not count on their own troops or police.

  5. Big Eared Dave April 23, 2021 at 12:50

    How many years now have we heard “Russia,Russia,Russia” . Pee gate, Bounties in th e ‘Stan, Election interface. All the other carp the demos have cried about. Matter of fact I have more in common with the average Russian then I do with the average Democrat. They hate both of us.
    I did my bit in the Marines.I will.not serve our Communist/globalist overlorde. Not will my kids.

  6. Sean April 23, 2021 at 14:51

    Was brain washed and went to VietNam back in the day. No reason to send any of my progeny off to fight another stupid war for some murky reason. Just a lot of baloney pushed by the leftists to make money and kill off the children of their political enemies. Some body out there is hankering to come up with a new MIA flag that has the letters M II A on it. There should be a diagonal slash on the II, from right to left.

  7. Umbra April 23, 2021 at 16:38

    The US built several of these export gas liquefaction plants to load sea tankers in the last 2 decades after transportation the gas is very expensive compared to Russian gas. This gas was bound for Europe. Somebody is not going to see the rewards of their investment. This one in particular at Cove Point Maryland I could have worked at but thankfully work came up closer to home . https://www.cnsmaryland.org/interactives/Cove-Point-Natural-Gas/index.html

  8. RB in GA April 23, 2021 at 18:11

    This will piss some people off, but I guess I have to be the odd man out here- but what about backing allies? The Ukraine is a NATO associate, and would have been a full NATO member by now if not for some of the European countries blocking it. They are also not just a paper associate. They have sent troops to fight beside ours at our request, just like the Georgians did. Is this meaningless?
    Our recent history in supporting non-Muslim nations sucks (with the notable exception of Israel). It seems to me that we go to war wherever the Saudis point these days, but never to support real allies. We abandoned South Vietnam, which at the time was a SEATO ally, the Georgians back in GW’s presidency- which was shameful- and now, from the sound of these comments, you would do the same for the Ukranians. Question- would you fight for Taiwan? The Phillipines? Japan? Or does our word as a nation mean nothing? Or is it just nothing is worth fighting for anymore?
    Yes, our gov’t sucks, it’s corrupt, it’s just plain evil at lot of the time- but the rank and file of America isn’t. Or at least I want to believe so. We have values we stand up for and believe in standing along side our friends, instead of standing aside. Do I want to fight Russia- hell no. As it was said in the Princess Bride, “the biggest mistake is fighting a land war in Asia”, but at the same time do we repeat history and allow another Hitler? And make no bones about it, Putin’s Russian nationalism is no different than Adolph’s was. And China’s is worse.

    • vagabond April 23, 2021 at 22:50

      Thanks for taking the time to post; these are fair points, and I’ll reply with some questions.
      1. How ‘deep’ of an ally is Ukraine; did they help US as a gesture only, or do have some real linkages here? Is it Ukraine and Ukrainians or just whichever government by itself?
      2. If we did help, how? Would actual ‘in harm’s way’ action really be worth it to the actual American people of the social status level who would actually do the fighting?
      3. Is there truly, really any benefit to the US beyond corporate profit, investment, whatever?
      4. Would the US purpose be to help a friend, or more to thwart an enemie? Because, today’s ‘friend’ is tomorrow’s betrayer. WItness the mujaheedin – we trained them, and a generation later they shed our blood.
      5. Finally, do we even have the ability? If we get involved there, does that make fighting in Taiwan more likely because of being overstretched?
      And a parting comment: it’s said getting involved in a civil war (which Ukraine vs Russia sort of would turn into given Russian-speaking Ukrainian population likely supportive of Russia) is a total no-win. Is it wise to get into someone else’s when very likely looking at one of our own?

      • RB in GA April 24, 2021 at 16:23

        Sorry, this will be a long reply.
        To point 1 (and partially to the parting comment): I point to the example of Poland in WW2. The nation of Poland was rapidly destroyed by Germany and the USSR, yet Poland manged to still provide soldiers to fight on against Hitler- over a quarter million of them. How “deep” of an ally was Poland prior to invasion? To the US, not at all- because we became largely isolationist and left them to their fate. But they held firm to the British for the entire war, and many Poles continued that position afterward- even after the Allies sold them out to the Soviets during the post war peace deals.
        The Ukraine has had a very similar situation to the Poles over the years- subjugated and treated as second class persons by the Russians. When the chance came to declare independence they grabbed it, and, as I pointed out earlier, tried to ally in NATO. Yes, this was driven by self interest, but they meant, and I believe still do, mean it. How much of an ally have they been? I think as much as they could afford with one of the world’s largest armies on their border threatening them constantly- and with only the Baltic States and Poland pledging to help them.
        Yes, the conflict in the Donbas could be viewed as a Civil War, since the Russians essentially did the same thing as the carpet baggers did to the South- move in and take over. I’m sure some Ukranians think it was better under the USSR as well, but does that mean the Ukranian patriots shouldnt fight? Shouldnt try to protect their constitution and their country?
        As a comparison, dont we think it was better under the Republicans? Does that mean we should just roll over and take it?
        Point 2: How do we help?: Realistically, by first calling Putin’s bluff. Telling the neo-Soviets that 1) yes, what happens here is our business, 2) Your nationism is going to be contained- we will not allow you to be another Hitler. 3) explaining to our NATO allies that its time to ante up and 4) backing that up by forward deploying anti-missle (Patriot) batteries and air assets into Poland, Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria- if they will allow it. Beefing up forces in Germany and Norway. 5) we start shipping war material to the Ukraine- and basically tell the Russians if you dont like it, stop it. Its the old fashioned game of MAD– worked for 70 years and I dont think Putin is made of stern enough stuff nor is popular enough in Russia to risk it
        Point 3) Is there any benefit? In truth, if you’re being cynical, perhaps not. But I think there is a moral benefit in relationship to our allies and the world. Perhaps because there is no real tangible benefit it makes it even more compelling. The US will come help when it says it will. You can count on them. Perhaps, it will create a reicprocal effect? History has mixed results.
        Point 4) You have a very valid point, but one I would dispute regarding your example. The mujadeen are not a nation nor a people, They are/were a collection of varying tribes that banded together to fight the Soviets that invaded their country. In American we incorrectly lump them all together as muj. In the 80’s we helped various tribes successfully, largely of the so-called “Northern Alliance”. When the Soviets withdrew these tribes went back to doing what they have done for centuries-fighting each other, as well as the Taliban related tribes. Our relationship with them was never more than an alliance of opportunity.
        When the Taliban gave safe haven to our enemies, we reached out to those same tribes and purchased their help. They never have been allies, other than perhaps on a personal level.
        Our problem in Afghanistan is that we’ve stayed there too long. Essentially we have become another tribe to them, sometimes friendly, somnetimes not. That they attack us is in reality to be excpected. After all, how many villages have we gutted? Rememebr the axiom of the guerilla- “every time they strike, every innocent they kill, we grow stronger.”
        Now, excluding that example-let’s look at our allies. Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand- would they help? When it came time to shit or get off the pot, I’d say yes. If for no other reason than self interest. Australia and New Zealand’s interests are directly threatened by China, and Australia, at least, realizes it. New Zealand may be trying to imitate a Kiwi. The UK is threatened by both Russia and China, and has really strong ties to us. I think we can rely on our mother country. Canada traditionally goes where the UK goes, but hell, if nothing else, it can be a dumping ground for US leftists (excuse me, conscietious objectors). Europe-well they may try for appeasement again, after all, they did before. Hopefully they saw how well that worked out last time. Individual countries? France, Italy and Greece- honestly- no clue here. Maybe they’d join us, but only because of survival. Germany, Benelux, Denmark- well they know the Russians arent gonna stop if they decide to throw the dice.- So yeah, theyre reliable. Norway, unless its changed, is the place in Europe that actually likes Americans- so I’d say yes to them too. Doesn’t hurt any that they know Russia will invade either. Poland, the Baltic States, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania- well they also know they’ll be the battleground, so I’d say yes- they’ll also be reliable in that situation. None of them have fond memories of Russians.
        Turkey? I think no. Historically, they have always been a “purchased” ally. And right now I think Russia has more coin with them. Also, I believe their leader wants to reestablish the Ottoman Empire- and he’s welcome to it.
        Elsewhere? Taiwan? Obviously yes. Phillipines? Most likely yes. Japan? Yep. They really dont have good memories of either. South Korea- they cease to exist without our support and while they hate that, they also know it to be true- so yes.
        Middle East? nope, except for Israel, which will have its hands full. Africa? Surely you jest. South America? nah. Southeat Asia? Oddly, possibly Vietnam- just because of the “enemy of our enemy is our friend” concept. In other words, an ally of convience.
        Ah, forgot Iceland- I think we can count on them.
        Point 5) Do we have the ability? Yes, if we threaten total war. Otherwise, honestly, NO. Can we fight a war on two fronts? NO, we dont have that capability anymore. We dont even have that industrial base anymore- thanks to corporate and politcal greed- we gave that to China. And the next war will probably be short enough that we wont have time to reestablish it.
        We have probably the best trained best and equipped forces in the world but they are fragile and widely spread. Fragile logistically. We need to bring guys back from the Middle East and Africa, and retrain them in peer to peer warfare. This is one area where all recent administrations have failed. Trump said he would do it, but didnt. No one else even tried.
        Going off on a tangent here, But do we as a nation even have an overall national strategy? If we do, it baffles me. Biden wants to cut domestic oil, gas, coal production to make us MORE dependent on the Middle East? The guy truly is demented.
        And to the remainder of the parting comment:
        More importantly though is do we have the will to fight for ourselves or for others? Sadly, I think the answer for the majority is no. Witness Oregon, Minnesota, Missouri. I’d have never believed Americans could be so spineless as to give in to rule by mob.
        It’s said that the American Revolution was started and won by the 3% that had had enough. Do we even have that anymore? If I have that question, you better bet that foreign leaders have that too.
        And that, to my mind, is why Putin and China believe they can do as they will.
        And also why we must prove them wrong.

        • vagabond April 24, 2021 at 19:57

          One heck of a reply, thank you for that. I’d invoke the adage ‘iron sharpens iron’ with your expansions and challenges to my questions. You express them very well, BTW.
          I’m not interested in writing for snark, to prove I’m right even when I’m not, or to waste time, but still in some ways for selfish reasons. Maybe something I think up is validated. Maybe it’s modified. Maybe there are angles I never considered. Or maybe I’m just wrong. No matter, if I come away with one idea or the other tightened up, honed, or polished that’s a win as far as I’m concerned. I find out when people thoughtfully comment.
          And therefore my tweaked beliefs become that bit closer to Reality, and my predictive abilities a percent better.
          And I hope the Reader feels the same.
          In the bigger picture it seems to me that a solid Board functions to generate community, counter-point, consensus, capability, and ultimately back to greater capability of the Community.
          Like-minded and like-valued people NEED to communicate, partly for pragmatic concerns, and to keep sane for God’s sake!
          EVERY idea and notion should be open to counter-point which the reader and writer can accept or reject, but only after decent consideration. This is one of our very best differentiators from ‘hive people.’
          Consensus builds community, but only if honest and with room for individual variation. Love that meme of a thousand hive-people with the caption “We Are All Unique and Special.” It’s the testing of ideas or methods that builds faith in the consensus. But while actual uniformity is NOT good IMOP, as the Fan draws ever closer I’m reminded of yet another quote: “If we don’t hang together, we will certainly hang separately.'”
          And, the exchange of information and ‘idea testing’ is back to honing the blade, expanding skills, sharpening the intellect – all the above and more.
          Finally, ultimately this “upwards spiral” should improve the capacity of the community itself, and round we go. At least that’s how I see it.
          Thanks for taking the time.

    • Mark. April 24, 2021 at 16:37

      I remember seeing Platoon in the movie theaters, and thinking wars for our alliances aren’t for me.

      • RB in GA April 24, 2021 at 19:51

        FIRST THEY CAME
        By Martin Niemöller
        First they came for the Communists
        And I did not speak out
        Because I was not a Communist
        Then they came for the Socialists
        And I did not speak out
        Because I was not a Socialist
        Then they came for the trade unionists
        And I did not speak out
        Because I was not a trade unionist
        Then they came for the Jews
        And I did not speak out
        Because I was not a Jew
        Then they came for me
        And there was no one left
        To speak out for me.

        • Mark. April 25, 2021 at 01:38

          George Washington warned in his farewell address about getting involved in entangling alliances. He would have been talking in particular about Europe, and he would have based his advice on the knowledge that since the days of the Pax Romana Europe has been engulfed in one war after another. Today we find ourselves in many entangling alliances. Have these alliances brought us more freedom or wealth? It doesn’t seem like it to me. Is Europe better off for it? The continent is still talking about going to war over the same type of territorial disputes that have marked European wars for centuries.

          • Robert H Betts April 25, 2021 at 19:34

            Have these alliances brought us more freedom or wealth? Yes, emphatically yes. For one we haven’t been speaking German on the East coast or Japanese on the west coast for the last 70+ years.
            Secondly, our GNP has grown by leaps and bounds through trading with our allies (and others). The second world war placed the United States in the dominant economic position in the world, a position that has been maintained until relatively recently. We still enjoy the highest standard of living and some of the best living conditions in the world. (as an aside, those countries that boast better are under the umbrella of our protection, so I think they’d say they are better off for having us around). This position has been maintained by our willingness to support allies and intervene where we thought necessary- for better or worse.
            Is Europe better off for it? I think most of Europe would say yes- at least the generations that either fought in WW2 or grew up right after it. To say otherwise is simply to ignore thousands of statements to the contrary. Youth always forgets the sacrifices of their elders, mankind always makes the same mistakes- so maybe the masses dont think that way today. But then again you can’t fix stupid.
            Finally, Washington would have also known that the US lacked the ability, at the time, to wage war in the European method, a lesson we re-learned when we invaded Canada and had Washington burned. Yeah, we got lucky at New Orleans, but that was only because the Britsh commanders were dumber than rocks to attack across a swampy field. I guess they forgot Agincourt…

  9. Umbra April 23, 2021 at 21:04

    “No doubt this is somehow a ‘follow the big money’ thing, but besides that, just maybe the Russians (along with Eastern Europeans and the Boer) are so, so despised because they are the only groups who stand unabashedly unapologetic about being who they are. ”
    Exactly, Putin is not going along with the NWO agenda. That’s why he is a hate object.

    • SemperFi, 0321 April 23, 2021 at 22:19

      Anyone that has stood up against the Rothschild/City of London banksters has signed his own death warrant. Hitler got Germany out of debt by creating it’s own money, Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi wanted out from under the same Zionist banking grip and were exterminated and Putin threw the Rothschilds out of Russia and is labelled the same villain as Hitler. Wanting what’s best for YOUR people is not always what’s best for the banksters. They will start WW3 if it serves to keep them at the top of the power chain. They make money no matter who wins.
      Stop listening to the MSM, use some common sense and try to understand why these other countries are doing what they do, most of them are trying to keep their nation from turning into what we have become, groups of splintered brainwashed individuals who have no clue what they are anymore. All thanks to 100 yrs of media and Bolshevik indoctrination from our schools and Hollywood.

      • Johnny Paratrooper April 25, 2021 at 19:27

        Putin works for his Rothchild masters. He takes orders from Bibi. Bibi is a much, much better soviet agent than Putin ever was.

        • Gryphon April 28, 2021 at 16:59

          Putin has no ‘masters’ other than the People who Elected Him. Russia no longer owes a $ingle filthy $hekel to either “Rothschild Bank, S.A. France” or to the jew-ish “Bank of International Settlements” the Looting Agency set up after WWI to ‘collect the Debts’ of both sides. The Russian Federation has set up its own International Interbank Transfer System, bypassing the jew-ish owned SWIFT system, and so Hymie Shekelberg doesn’t get a “Cut”.
          This is why the HATRED of Russia is so pronounced in the kosher ‘mainstream media’. White Christian Russia has Thumbed their Noses at the jew money power. And (((they))) don’t know whether to Shit or Go Blind, because as Mr. Putin said “The Bear has Nuclear Weapons”.
          If only, had Professor Werner Heisenberg had ‘thought it through’, and hadn’t let his sense of Christian Morals prevent him from building Atomic Bombs for Germany, We Wouldn’t be in this Situation in the First Place….

  10. Boon April 24, 2021 at 08:23

    The financially and politically elite never have and never will put their life on the line for power and money but are very willing to send anybody else for their cause. The fight for this country shouldn’t be on foreign soil obviously but needs to be directed at the oligarchs that are feeding the rabble tearing down, burning, looting our county. Everyone knows who they are, they are openly financing the media for the propaganda spewing daily and the corrupt politicians who are taking the Constitution down piece by piece. I agree just follow the money and that is where the battle should start…just sayin

    • SemperFi, 0321 April 24, 2021 at 14:48

      I’m astounded how easily people are distracted by the media squirrel hunts,instead of going for the throat of those lying to and manipulating them. How many folks are back to watching their favorite teams after swearing never to watch them again after taking a knee for BLM?
      Low IQ and short attention spans don’t make for good warriors.

  11. Anonymous April 24, 2021 at 15:33

    4.5

  12. Houdini April 25, 2021 at 12:29

    As much as I sympathize with the Ukraine, I would not send another generation to the meat grinder a conflict there would be. I would however give them the means to defend their own country from invasion by the Russians. We are going to have enough trouble right here in the unfortunately near future to defend and secure our own country from the crazy left.

  13. ohengineer May 4, 2021 at 07:24

    Putin is hated because he has been operating like Hitler in Ukraine and Georgia. Poland remembers such things and is also on the hate list. Putin is merely the face of a mafia regime. He is not calling the shots and, like Lincoln, has people behind him agitating to get their economic colonies back. Putin is a very good foil as he makes things look just like the actions of the Brezhnev regime, and his KGB background is a very good smoke screen.
    The hatred has nothing to do with going along with the NWO.
    If Russia invades, again, it will not result in a civil war. Even the Russian speakers Putin pretends to defend, don’t want to be part of Russia again. Ukraine has the largest Army her economy can support at the moment. Still, Putin has an Army, at last count, of about 345,000. Ukraine’s is 250,000. The difference in size is not decisive, and relative quality has improved several orders of magnitude since 2014. Ukraine will be an indigestible lump if Putin is stupid enough to go along with the powers behind his throne, and invade. His economy is nearly a basket case now. It will be far worse than that after he starts hostilities.

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