Who are the Americans who support secession?

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) reached the point of diminishing returns some time ago. One can only repeat fringe rhetoric so many times before it loses its shock value, before it just becomes the sort of thing you’re expected to say.

So when she argued on Sept. 11 — Patriot Day, as some have it — that states should consider secession, it attracted much less attention than similar outbursts she’s offered in the past. But it’s worth considering Greene’s comments less for her argument than for what it doesn’t capture well: the reasons that about 1 in 5 Americans support the concept of secession.

For the representative from Georgia, the putative rationale for secession was the border. President Biden’s policies, she claimed, included a refusal “to stop the invasion of cartel led human and drug trafficking into our country” which meant that “states should consider seceding from the union.” This is not a well-honed argument, of course; it’s ostensibly an effort to cast Biden as negligent and dangerous.

Nor does it seem that frustration with the federal government is necessarily what motivates support for secession. Instead, new research from Colby College assistant professor Nicholas F. Jacobs argues that an important factor in support for secession is the division between states.

“Partisan intensity does not do much explanation” in existing support for secession, Jacobs explained in an email. “Rather, it is highly dependent (almost entirely) on whether or not someone really thinks that red and blue states are just different — and different on meaningful dimensions, such as quality of government services, etc.”

And that, he argues, is the threat to confidence in our existing system.

“When political divisions take on a territorial dimension,” he writes in the paper (“Seeing Red and Blue”), “foundational attitudes central to maintaining the delicate federal relationship are challenged.

“No longer one country seeking to accommodate diverse peoples, some individuals see many peoples fitting uneasily into one federation, threatening collective decision-making,” he continues. “In the United States, between 20 and 30 percent of Democratic and Republican partisans are willing to express some agreement with secessionist sentiments, even in the absence of a major secessionist party or movement.”

As part of his research, he asked respondents to evaluate a number of political questions, including three that addressed secession. About 18 percent of respondents agreed with all three proposals, including having states with opposing politics leave the union, having their own state do so or simply agreeing that some division of the country made sense.

But again, this sentiment overlapped with the perception that there is a bifurcation between types of states. “[T]hose favoring secession are the least likely to tolerate partisan differences between the states,” he writes, “while at the same time, [they] are the most likely to see state-level political divides.”

Soon after Jacobs and I had communicated about his research, Pew Research Center released a new analysis of America’s political divisions. Included in its analysis was a measure that seemed salient to Jacobs’s observation: Most Americans are very or extremely concerned that a person’s rights might be different based on the state they are in, including nearly three-quarters of Democrats.

There’s been a big jump in that belief since 2022, certainly in large part because of the shift in the access to abortion. But this suggests an increase in the extent to which Democrats, in particular, view states’ governance as often dissimilar, the view that correlates to more acceptance of secession.

Jacobs was quick to point out, in his paper and in our discussion, that he is not suggesting that violence will follow. America’s experience with calls for secession was, of course, intermingled with horrific violence and a subsequent slow recovery. But he also indicated that he wasn’t sure how this sense that two countries are emerging might be countered.

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5s Comments

  1. FJB September 22, 2023 at 14:55

    “But he also indicated that he wasn’t sure how this sense that two countries are emerging might be countered”
    There will be way more than “two”.

  2. Truth in Texas September 22, 2023 at 18:04

    The Texas Nationalist movement is the most organized. It also has growing support within Texas. Who is $ John Galt? TEXIT!

  3. Chris September 22, 2023 at 20:02

    “According to figures from the Pentagon as well as the Military Analysis Network, the United States has approximately 450 to 500 military bases. All 50 states have at least one base”

    https://www.omnimilitaryloans.com/military-life/how-many-military-bases-are-in-the-us

    In my uninformed uneducated opinion..
    THAT alone…is why NONE of this “Secession” blather, will never ever… go forward.
    It’s just pablum, for us peasants to stuff in our face and dance around.

    Imagine Loosing TODAY, Right Now….
    California’s Military Facilities and All the US MIL “Related” Ones.
    The testing facilities, Vandenberg(haha) , Cornado and it’s related facilities….Skunk Works (you dont think the us govt would allow them to be… if They weren’t, US Gubment, do you?). ..Pendlton, Edwards. ……
    The Fecal Storm THOSE alone would be ….Epic!!! (Man i’d love to be a fly for that “Conversation.” hahaha)

    Yeah….Dog don’t hunt.

  4. Scotpatriot September 22, 2023 at 21:02

    Who supports sucession? Probably a majority of patriots let’s go

  5. Rob157 September 22, 2023 at 23:12

    This is sort of off-topic, but at the same time a serious reason to take the topic of seperation a bit more seriously, vid from Black Scout Survival on a home invasion:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yDg9WmMeGc

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