Tactical Wisdom: Sad Hams are Killing GMRS

Originally appears on Tactical Wisdom

Let me begin by saying that the vast majority of Amateur Radio people (Hams) that I know are NOT Sad Hams. Most of them are very helpful and good people. It’s sad that a few people are going to kill not just one hobby, but two.

My first real experience with a Sad Ham came as soon TW-01, Baseline Training Manual, came out. As a new author, I eagerly awaited reviews. After a few days of 5-star reviews, I got a 1-star from a Sad Ham. He said that despite all the great info in the rest of the book, he didn’t like my radio chapter (literally 10 pages) because I didn’t tell everyone to get a ham license and expensive radios. It was a taste of what was to come.

Dear Sad Hams – Proverbs has a message:

Listen to advice and accept discipline,
and at the end you will be counted among the wise.

Proverbs 19:20

Most ham guys recommend getting a ham license to “learn about radio” and that’s commendable. However, they argue with my point that I have literally carried a radio every day of my professional life since I was 17 years old, so I know a thing or two about radio. Not the same, they say. Between the Marine Corps, the City of Grand Rapids, various private security contractors, and corporate security teams, I’ve used HF, VHF, UHF, and 800 Mhz trunked/frequency hopping radios of every type. Not enough they say. You don’t say “73s” at the end of your conversations, so you know next to nothing about radio, Sad Hams say.

Fast forward a bit, and GMRS is getting on the scene as a more widely used medium. People involved in preparedness specifically are gravitating to it as a middle-of-the-road solution. Here in Metro Detroit, we had a couple of repeaters and there was light traffic. We ran a ‘Prepper Net’ every week and a more general net every few weeks.

Well, the Sad Hams found out that there were people actually using and enjoying radio without being policed and guided by the “experts”, so they quickly ran out and got their GMRS licenses. No, Sad Hams, I REFUSE to call it a “TICKET” – get over it. They first asserted themselves by “advising” everyone of “proper” etiquette, like saying “73s” and endlessly calling for signal reports, rather than just holding conversations. They started screeching if you went 15 minutes and 1 second without shouting your call sign. They also asked you to repeat your call sign like 4 or 5 times. Don’t get me wrong, they can hear you just fine…. they are building that “when I tell you to do something, you just do it because I am the Ham guy” response.

Next, they put up another repeater and generously offered to link the repeaters, giving everyone extended range. Sounds good, right? Well, they linked the two repeaters that covered the most territory. Then, they immediately began holding “ham radio” conversations ALL DAY LONG. These guys tied up BOTH repeaters with conversations about types of coaxial cable, antenna heights, and all the things they are doing with their HAM radios, not GMRS. If you were a GMRS guy and wanted to call you buddy across town, you can’t because the same 4 guys are on BOTH channels, all day long. I swear to God, yesterday one of them even revealed that he had smuggled a radio into his HOSPITAL ROOM so that he could talk about his illness. If you are a GMRS user in Detroit, you heard it yesterday.

Let me explain to the self-appointed airwave police why GMRS is NOT the place for that. The amateur radio service, per the FCC, is for self-training, experimentation, emergency communications, and the RADIO HOBBY. The General Mobile Radio Service is for personal, family, and business communications. There is a MARKED difference here.

The rules that the Sad Hams LOVE to screech about prohibit interfering with other users and promoting the sharing of frequencies. Well, Amateur licensees have a much larger spectrum, including a HUGE chunk of UHF, 420 to 450 Mhz. GMRS is allotted only 22 channels in the 462/467 range, only EIGHT of which are allowed for repeater use. Let me be blunt:

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE HOBBY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO, DO IT ON AMATEUR RADIO AND LET OTHERS HAVE SOME SPECTRUM.

I’m not out of line here. The few Hams I’ve asked about this phenomenon say, “well, it’s because GMRS has gotten so popular”. OK, so you admit that you didn’t like other people talking without your supervision. You can’t say it’s because there weren’t any UHF Ham repeaters locally, there are DOZENS. The only reason is that you want exclusive control of the radio hobby. It’s annoying. You have HUGE amounts of radio spectrum to use, even in UHF, so why take over another service?

Whenever I mention my repeater to Hams, they immediately start screeching…”I don’t see your repeater listed on RepeaterBook or MyGMRS!!!” Yes, there’s a reason for that and it’s YOU. I’m not required to list it and I’m not required to let anyone else use it.

But, what can we do? Well, if you are a GMRS-Only licensed person with a repeater, lock down your repeater to permission only. I know it’s a pain, but we have to reclaim our own service. Only grant permission to people who agree to your terms…this is for personal communications, not “Ham-shack” talk. Advise users that it’s fine to use the repeater to make an initial contact, but if you are going to talk for more than a couple of messages, move the conversation to a simplex-direct channel. “But Joe, then I can’t talk to Bobby about his goiter surgery, and I can’t tell him what Marge and I had for dinner last night from 45 miles away.” That’s what you have a Ham license for, sorry.

GMRS was not meant to be Ham radio. It was meant to be a way for families, groups, or small businesses to communicate with each other. It was never meant to be “ham-lite”.

Now, if you feel tempted to leave me a 4-paragraph defense of why Hams MUST hold these conversations on GMRS to keep from clogging up Ham airwaves for “important” traffic, understand that YOU are exactly who I’m talking about. If you also feel that those lowly GMRS licensees need your supervision, YOU are the problem.

The real problem is this – Hams have long complained about a decline in their hobby. That decline is caused by the very few Sad Hams ruining the experience for everybody. Those same people are now intruding on a service that many people new to the radio hobby are just starting out in. When they excitedly turn on their new GMRS handhelds because Joe Dolio, Wyoming Survival, and NC Scout told them to check it out, they get quickly turned off by the insanely BORING conversations about wiring, the difference between the Yaesu XT-4378-AB and the Icom B-78T43G, various medical procedures planned, and why the Baofeng sucks. They give up. When they try to ask a simple question, they get back a 7-and-a-half-minute explanation of why their equipment sucks and the need to spend the house payment on the newest gadget and they get discouraged. They are killing two hobbies, both of which could really save lives.

My Repeater

It’s sad.

Sad Hams like to tell people to “Go back to CB!” – well, I say “Go back to Ham!”

Don’t let them discourage you. Set up your own network for your group or family and use it. Learn about it. When they try to pressure you to open up your repeater “for the good of all”, refuse. When they just break into your repeater (very easy to do), CLEARLY advise them that the repeater is PRIVATE and that they are NOT AUTHORIZED to use it. Two can play at their “rules enforcement” game. Their Ham license doesn’t authorize them to do whatever they want, and a GMRS license doesn’t mean you get to use everyone’s repeater without permission.

I wish it wasn’t this way. I wish that the Sad Hams were like the rest of the hams and glad to see new people enter the hobby. Those new people will work their way up to ham if they choose to, without your cajoling. Leave them alone while they learn.

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About the Author: NC Scout

NC Scout is the nom de guerre of a former Infantry Scout and Sergeant in one of the Army’s best Reconnaissance Units. He has combat tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He teaches a series of courses focusing on small unit skills rarely if ever taught anywhere else in the prepping and survival field, including his RTO Course which focuses on small unit communications. In his free time he is an avid hunter, bushcrafter, writer, long range shooter, prepper, amateur radio operator and Libertarian activist. He can be contacted at [email protected] or via his blog at brushbeater.wordpress.com .

15 Comments

  1. Jeff March 28, 2023 at 16:49

    Well said.

  2. TH March 28, 2023 at 17:10

    I’m an Extra and I absolutely agree with every word of this. They are extremely annoying and usually are the ones holding positions in the Ham clubs which is also why membership is down. They’re the damned HOA of public radio.

  3. SemperFido March 28, 2023 at 18:34

    Well said.

  4. Bud Green March 28, 2023 at 19:08

    THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE!
    I’ve had my GMRS license for about 8 months and have had two “sad hams” tell me to go back to CB.
    We have a similar problem in Cincinnati and surrounding suburbs with a “club” started by a former cop. He wants to turn his GMRS club into a service like REACT. I wouldn’t have a problem with that if his club wasn’t putting repeaters on all the available frequencies and locking everyone out unless you pay to be in his club. Listening to their NET is like listening to a group of policemen talking and they don’t want any families or friends talking on their club repeaters.
    Unfortunately many of the members of this club are hams and are sexual intellectuals (F’ing know it alls)
    Luckily we have a group of people in the northern suburbs that own a couple repeaters and they haven’t been bought out by SWOGMRS yet.

  5. Frank Sturgis March 28, 2023 at 20:11

    Well stated! Nicely said!

  6. Ganggreen gang March 28, 2023 at 20:35

    Sad ham boomers strike once again. I reccomend writing you Senator about taking away their pension so they have to work and can’t waste airspace.

  7. Quietus March 28, 2023 at 21:09

    Good article, thanks. I did not know that this problem existed. Nice thing that you are decoupling your repeatet from the Sad Hams.

    As a General Class radio operator in my first renewal time frame, I can say that I’ve never signed off with “73”, With people I know it’s occasionally “CSMO” (Captain Says Move Out for the Redlegs).

    You’re right, the ham community does have a fair amount of control types. I’ve not seen that where I live, but I know the behavior is there in other places.

    Thanks for your perspective and the reporting of your local problem.

    Not everybody in your community needs a radio most of the time. Even fewer need a General class license. Their time and money could be best used in other directions.

    • Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass March 29, 2023 at 07:43

      Very solid article. I’ve had an amateur radio license for just under 20 years: it’s amazing how many hams violate FCC regs by using Q-Codes and saying 73 via phone.

      I’ll keep what you said in mind, Joe, re GMRS. I’m sure they’re like this in my neck of the woods.

  8. Steve March 28, 2023 at 21:20

    I have been in communications for 43 years as a professional. I recently retired as a Senior Telecommunications Technician for the State of California after 32 years with them. Before that I was US Air Force. I was one of the many technicians charged with maintaining the statewide microwave system. This system interconnects the Public Safety Radio System statewide with traffic from CHP, CalTrans, Forrestry and Fire Protection and numerous other state agencies. I am not and have never been a Ham. As I said, I am a professional.

    I can tell you with certainty that I hate Hams with a passion. They are arrogant and needy at the same time.

    In our radio vaults we were required to provide them space (if possible) and provide primary and back up power, etc.

    They act like they run the the radio world. Almost none of them have experience with Public Safety radio. Clashes occur regularly.

    I am so glad I left and retired. I miss a lot about my job but Hams aren’t one of them.

  9. SRKAddict March 28, 2023 at 21:58

    Karen’s and Kevin’s are everywhere.
    I have only had one experience with a Sad Ham. We were driving to Ft Collins and decided to see how our GMRS radios did on the road. As we were driving through Lyons, some angry guy berated us for not playing by the rules. I laughed. BTW the radios worked great.

  10. bill March 28, 2023 at 22:14

    They’re the damned HOA of public radio.(TH). And they live in the basement.
    Great read, thanks , you made me laugh.

  11. kn4axj in nc March 28, 2023 at 23:14

    my ham license does not grant me gmrs privleges, and my gmrs license does not grant me ham band privleges. just like i can’t drive downtown london on the right side of the road cause i have an american drivers license and that’s how we do things here. this is such a simple concept. you can explain it to a 5 year old and the light comes on. and yes, amateur radio is the dying hobby of dying old white guys (mostly). at a time when a younger generation live their life completely thru their cellphone, the learning curve and expense of equipment is very questionable proposition for noobs. and we all were noobs at one time. gmrs is an opportunity to easily learn some basic radio concepts, that otherwise would not be explored by noobs. and that goes double for cheap baofengs that make that possible. some noobs might want to move on to amateur radio. others might stay with gmrs, murs, or even cb. expand your capabilities either way. you are 100% correct in your position in this matter.

  12. Jack Lawson March 29, 2023 at 00:38

    As always… Joe’s got a VERY VALID point….

    Many HAMs I’ve talked to have a broomstick up their posterior and have a latent desire to be policemen… no tolerance for those wanting to learn on FRS and GMRS if that person is not involved with the area HAM group.

    My first contact was with an area “Sad EGOTIST Ham” who flat out told me after I informed him I was interested in radios and such…

    “I don’t have time to talk to you, but being President of the area HAM club (Chief Mucky Muck and apparently the winner of the “Sad HAM of the Year with the Biggest Ego and Longest Broomstick Up Arse Award,” I have to.” he said as I listened ASTOUNDED.

    He went on to tell me he was retired USAF with 30 years of classified radio work, insinuated he had CIA training and tried to impress me with how special he was. I ended the conversation with “I don’t need to talk any further and told him he was a blowhard” and hung up.

    Our area HAM club is a tight knit group of these bull shytte egotist people… and we aren’t in it. So, we set up our neighborhood radio network steering clear of them. Don’t need their BS to talk MURS and FRS and have the limited license. No wonder no one likes them here.

    Jack Lawson
    Member, Sully H. deFontaine Special Forces Association Chapter 51, Las Vegas, Nevada

    Author of the “Civil Defense Manual,” “The Slaver’s Wheel,” “A Failure of Civility,” “And We Hide From The Devil” and “In Defense.”

    “When the lies become commonplace people believe them as fact… and when the fact is transformed into a legend… that’s what’s printed and known by most people. In this distortion of the truth, the lies become a Legend. Such is the case of Ernesto “Che” Guevara whose capabilities and record were a total fabrication and was a failure as a soldier and leader.” Not my words… these words are from the guy in my SF Chapter who helped hunt Guevara down and kill him in Bolivia. Author Jack Lawson

    From Jack Lawson… an American in 1RLI Support Commando and attached to Rhodesian “C Squadron” SAS Africa 1976-79

    • C71M March 29, 2023 at 10:17

      Also have a General Class and after two years, Joe Dolio nailed precisely my experience.

      Local hams are were not interested when I moved from Tech “up” to General. That is even after visiting some events and EMCOM meets.

      That resulted in my finding Brushbeater. org. Oh yeah, I’m better for it. I was NOT interested in ham ratchet jawing. I wanted to learn communications in a nightmare scenario so I could teach others. Not waste time in a social “ time Dracula” group.

  13. Cap'n Moregun March 29, 2023 at 09:25

    Another General class here that absolutely agrees! Well put, this should be required reading to get your HAM license!

    In my rural area you’re more likely to hear hikers or even kids playing with their “walki-talkies” than sad hams, but I’m hearing more and more people calling “CQ”, which infuriates me.

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