Plato’s regimes, and my addendum.

Plato, the Greek philosopher, has been thoroughly examined by the dissident wing (I’ve decided to refer to us, whoever we are, as the “dissident wing”) of the USA. His ideas have been discussed and written about plenty here at AP and to a lesser extent, I believe the input of his mentor, Socrates, and his notable student, Aristotle, have also been mentioned. I think it’s appropriate that Plato has received the closest attention. With that said, I’ve thought a lot about his ideas and written little about them. I don’t promise to give insight that is any deeper than anyone else here is able to. In fact, in the name of Socratic irony, I promise not to.

Plato’s “five regimes” discussed in his eighth book of Republic are a fairly simplistic representation of the progression of human attempts at governance, which is good. Too many people make attempts at complicating their own interpretation of the progression of government systems because complexity is seen as a sign of intelligence. However, the ability to explain a complicated model in simple terms is actually a sign of high understanding. Knowing that simplifying a subject is necessary is a sign of wisdom.

The five regimes are written out in a progression from the first, called aristocracy, to what Plato lists last, which is tyranny. These progress from most desirable to least. Aristocracy, timocracy, oligarchy, democracy, tyranny is the order from top to bottom, first to last, most desirable to least. My personal addition, if I may make one, is anarchy. My version of anarchy as it relates to Plato’s regimes doesn’t totally line up with the modern day definition of anarchy. Perhaps just partially. Essentially I feel it is an absence of any discernible, effective system of governance.

Plato’s first regime is that of aristocracy. In our time, we may view this word with a negative connotation, but Plato viewed this system as one ruled by philosopher king(s) with “souls made of gold”. Contrary to our definition, these rulers would be in charge, but aside from basic human needs, they would own very little and live modestly. In the days of Greek rules, they may not even be permitted to own land at all. An aristocratic system would contain a caste system. I don’t believe there is a system in the world today that resembles Plato’s aristocracy.

The timocracy follows when people of slightly lesser virtue (described as people with souls made of silver or bronze) make their way into the ruling class by way of miscalculation by those who managed the aristocracy. Plato’s described the timocracy as a mixture of good and bad qualities. Some of the people who rise to the ruling class are concerned not only with ruling virtuously, but also with procuring wealth for themselves. The government system will change it’s own rules in order to make it easier for the ruling class to cement their positions, consolidate power and build their own wealth.

The oligarchy follows the timocracy, and now you see where we are headed. Riches and wealth are now the most important goals of the rulers and the citizens. rather than electing people who are wise and virtuous, and who’s ambitions do not include power and money, the accumulation of money is the virtue that gets one elected. The ruling class has money, the lower classes want money, and there is little else to be considered. The military is prone to strategic and tactical failure due to the fact that those who are best fit to positions in the military are being pushed into the ruling class where they don’t belong, or to the lower class where their talents are wasted, and the vacancies in the military are filled by those who seek to use that position to advance their own interests.

Democracy is next, which is possibly where we see ourselves at this point in time. People are concerned with freedom and Liberty, but only with their own definition of what those words mean. Many don’t even attempt to define what it means. The majority of the citizens are preoccupied with pointless activities and unnecessary goals. Democracy is managed by a large number of individuals, both elected and unelected, who are driven by personal gain. Democracy causes people of poor intellect and poor morals to gain positions of power. The people are primarily obsessed with materialism, and the government system is geared to enhance this by promoting “equality”, which is just a word the rulers will use to promise more material wealth, usually at the expense of a subgroup of citizens that has resisted the ruling class. Despite the fact that we are all taught that democracy is the highest and most virtuous form of government to be sought, this is false. Democracy is mob rule. The mob is neither intelligent nor virtuous. My position is that at least 90% of the electorate is unfit to choose a ruler for a nation of any size.

The last phase of Plato’s regimes is the tyranny phase, which most of us dissidents have been predicting for several decades now. Somehow our “democracy” drags along. In tyranny, the people have become tired of the democratic processes. Chaos rules and people are allowed, even encouraged, to violate rules and laws. Eventually, a person or group is able to seize power and transition the system into a harsh tyranny. Very rarely is a tyrant overthrown completely. Usually the overthrow results in a brief moment of anarchy, followed by yet another version of tyranny, nearly identical to the one before, if only more capable in the skills of tyrants. I feel the US is in a transition period between democracy and tyranny. Neither form of government is desirable.

My addition to Plato’s continuum is a sixth phase, which is anarchy. I won’t posit that anarchy always occurs or that it occurs in a specific place in Plato’s order. I won’t even claim that Plato’s phases always occur in a specific order, though we can observe it happening frequently. In this article, I view anarchy as the absence of one of the five regimes, where there is no regime. It would be hard to predict when or if this will happen, but when it does, it will not be difficult to identify, if there is even anyone attempting to intellectually identify it at all. When there is not, that would be a sign.

Plato’s philosophies are not without fault, of course, and I’m sure those faults will be (and should be) discussed by dissidents. But I do subscribe to the idea of these regimes being an identifiable course of human governance, and I do subscribe to the placement of democracy as the penultimate undesirable regime, as I no longer can point to any positive long term results of allowing a selfish, immoral, materialistic mob to vote favors for themselves and punishments for those they view as dissenters.

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9 Comments

  1. Luke October 27, 2021 at 11:11

    Interesting stuff sir

  2. Vagabond October 27, 2021 at 11:51

    Patterns and cycles of civilization have been an abiding fascination forever, and this is as good as any. There are the ‘4th turning,’ some based on Caste dominance such as typifies Indian history and others, but it seems to come down to a vigorous and coherent culture who likes itself establishes itself and has a bunch ok kids, that culture grows prosperous and thrives, it becomes stagnant and stops reproducing though it may be powerful, it starts to turn on itself and imports ‘barbarians,’ everything goes to hell as the culture becomes unglued, the barbarians learn enough to take over and have a bunch of kids….and on it goes; or something like that. Same play, different actors. The real argument is how far we are on the latter stages of dissolution, and looking forward, who will dominate or at least survive after the real chaos.

  3. James Carpenter aka "Felix" October 27, 2021 at 12:33

    Where in Plato’s schematic does our original representative (governing the least, governs the best) fit in?
    The “experiment” whose design and workings have been perverted or altogether abanadoned?

    • Gray Man October 27, 2021 at 14:22

      It’s a good question, and maybe a testament to our original founders having basically built a system that doesn’t initially fit into Plato’s system. It depends on how strictly the reader would hold our original republic to the specific details of Plato’s description. For example, there has never been a time that American leaders were not permitted to own land, which would automatically exclude our original republic from being labeled an aristocracy at all.

      I think it’s probably pretty easy to tell that our system has always been one where elected leaders are capable of using their position to accumulate wealth, which automatically drops our original republic into the timocracy regime.

      In a timocracy, according to Plato, leaders are also often elected based on attributes that make them better suited for war as opposed to leadership, but my position is that there are a great many attributes that lend themselves well to both. I also believe that the age of exploration and manifest destiny was lead by people who had militaristic talents. Had the US not aggressively expanded through the Mississippi River Basin (MRB), the Canada and Mexico would have. I have written here years ago that our conquest of the MRB is why we exist as we do, and why Mexico and Canada exist based on their geographic proximity to us.

      If you examine how Plato views the timocratic man, he seems to represent the image of many of our original republic leaders.

      Larger industrialization in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s probably led America into the middle ground between timocracy and oligarchy.

      At whatever rate, the experiment America ran resulted in one of the greatest empires (I do feel we were an empire at some point, to our credit) of all time, and ushered in the greatest human advancements of all time. So much so that even in our state of disrepair, we are capable of demonstrating that from time to time. But I do feel we are currently firmly in the “democracy” regime, which is not the good thing we were all taught in school.

  4. Spingerah October 27, 2021 at 13:07

    Thank you, don’t know pretty much anything of Plato, Socrates or Aristotle. The post is well done & sparked interest, One thing I do know now however is that I’m one of the 90 percent ! Lol.
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  5. Gray Man October 27, 2021 at 15:05

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  6. Anonymous October 28, 2021 at 18:14

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