WYOMING SURVIVAL: Reevaluating Our Comms Plan

Originally written on Wyoming Survival. – NCS

Since post my last post Baofengs In War something has kinda bothered me.

Now remember I’m just armchair quarterbacking this and obviously I am probably only get 1/100th of what’s going on in the Ukraine war.

The Ukraine and the Russians and BOTH running Baofengs. So why are we not hearing about troops being killed everytime they key up this unsecure analog radio?? I’ve looked and looked and have so far have not found one account of anyone getting a missile shoved up their ass. Now I’ve seen both sides get killed over their cell phones (take note).

We know Russia has a huge EW element but for some reason hasn’t deployed it much. The Ukraine is getting real time intelligence from the U.S. Still no one is getting killed for keying up that simple Baofeng radio.

Could it be that using an unsecure analog radio isn’t as big as a threat as we thought?? I’m starting to think it is not…. sorta

Don’t get me wrong a DMR, P25, DPMR radio is ALOT more secure than a standard analog radio. If you have already gone this route then you are already ahead of the game. This is for the people still working on their comms plan or just have a Baofengs in their group.

Let’s just look at a team in a urban area where the power is still on. You have your normal FM radio stations running. You have LEO radios on their frequencies. You have local businesses on their frequencies. You have the hospital on their frequencies. You have the transportation dept on their frequencies. You have locals on FRS/GMRS frequencies. You have the internet of things on their frequencies. You have HAMS in their frequencies.

So with all that traffic do you think anyone is going to notice your 30 second message you sent to a team member using your Baofeng and a tablet running ANDFLMSG?? I seriously doubt it.

Now on the flip side if you are a small guerrilla group in a rural area with a zero RF in that area and are being pursued by a nation state that is flying a SIGINT plane over head or using HawkEye 360 to catch you slipping you may want to be leary of keying up that radio no matter what kind of radio it is.

So where am I going with all this?

I know alot of people don’t have the money for an Anytone AT-D878UV or similar digital radio. Lots of people just won’t spend that kind of money on a radio even if it will basically triple their security.

I think 90% of the people could get by with a standard Baofeng UV-5R, a yagi antenna, and a tablet running ANDFLMSG. You need to have an SOI. Follow your SOI. Transmit only when needed and make it as short as possible. Lower your RF signature. You need to use brevity codes or one time pad. Don’t just give information away. Make the enemy work for it.

Yagi antenna should be a team’s primary antenna not secondary antenna.

No one is going to hit you with a missile or DF you within a 30 second transmission (unless its a nation state that is specifically targeting you and your group)

Having said that remember analog radio are EASY to intercept. My Uniden BCD436HP does this at amazing speeds when connected to an outdoor antenna at 20 ft. Thats where the brevity code or OTP comes in along with the tablet doing a 30 second data burst.

If you don’t want to go with a Baofeng and tablet you could also use Meshtastic which is 256 AES encryption and really cheap. Just make sure you use a tablet for your messaging device and not your phone. Also I would have multiple nodes to put up around your area to make sure you have full coverage. GoTenna would be another mesh network option as well.

I want the take away from this article to be a positive one. I want you to know that even if you can’t afford a high end radio you can have fairly secure comms as long as you put in the work. I want you to get out there and put the information I put out into practice. See if I’m wrong or right. If I’m wrong I have no problem accepting that.

May 28th and 29th is my Guerrilla Comms Weekend here in SW Wyoming. It will be TacComms on the 28th and HF Operations on the 29th. We will be putting much of this into practice. If you are interested in signing up email me at [email protected]

The time to get training is running short and you don’t want to have to learn this when things go hot.

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About the Author: NC Scout

NC Scout is the nom de guerre of a former Infantry Scout and Sergeant in one of the Army’s best Reconnaissance Units. He has combat tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He teaches a series of courses focusing on small unit skills rarely if ever taught anywhere else in the prepping and survival field, including his RTO Course which focuses on small unit communications. In his free time he is an avid hunter, bushcrafter, writer, long range shooter, prepper, amateur radio operator and Libertarian activist. He can be contacted at [email protected] or via his blog at brushbeater.wordpress.com .

4 Comments

  1. Juri April 24, 2022 at 10:35

    Entire Eastern Europe fanning Baofengs for a long time. We buy them by box .10 set box of Baofeng uv 82 is ca 200 USD down here. Some for untouched supply, some prepositioned in the possible Operation Area, some for training and usually some get broken or lost. 10 sets are not much per face.

    Security is irrelevant. We expecting Empire collapse and 1917 style mess in steroids. Random communist gangs mostly do not have high end surveillance equipment. Even Empire can not use its high end equipment when hyperinflation turned its money worthless and EW specialists are forced work for food somewhere else.

    “””…We know Russia has a huge EW element but for some reason hasn’t deployed it much…..”””

    Full scale US Nato attack is one reason why Russia holding back his EW and other high end equipment. No point to expose your EW capabilities before main battle.

  2. everlastingphelps April 24, 2022 at 18:19

    One, I don’t think we hear anything from the ones who get the missile up the ass from using open comms. I think they just get dead.

    Two, I wouldn’t assume that everyone with a baofeng is transmitting with them. I suspect that a lot of the Russians are listening to the Ukes on them, and using their issued radios for actual comms.

    Third, I’ve long thought that actual EW experts are always going to be thin on the ground, and unless you have the Eye of Sauron on you personally, the odds of good practices (like you outline) on open comms biting you in the ass is low. Remember the time issue. They know intel X from your transmission. Assuming they hear it, how long do they have to act on it? If you are issuing tactical commands, unless the guy on the other side is literally listening in real time, it doesn’t matter. The Fobbit listening to his transistor set 40 miles away isn’t going to get that intel to the guys you are shooting at in time for it to matter. Setting up a rendezvous point in the clear for 10 hours from now? You might be signing your death warrant.

    • Johnny Paratrooper April 24, 2022 at 18:49

      15 Minutes to Find, Fix, and Fire is the average Russian time. And Standard per Standard Russian TTPs. Some units are reported to have a response time of 5-7 minutes.

      There are books and briefs on this topic. Which we have posted extensively, discussed, and reposted in duplicate.

      EW is going to be a part of the standard infantry platoon one day.

    • NC Scout April 24, 2022 at 18:57

      “I’ve long thought…”

      Also can be read as “I’ve never done”.

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